Immediate input needed - FC

[HazelNut]

http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...k-mar-club.pdf

Item 3. (FC) Effective 3/1/08: Change sections 9.1.1.B.4.j, k, and l as follows:
Change 9.1.1.B.4.j to read as follows:
ECU: The Pectel T2 unit is required. The current specification “QSRE” map is required with the QSRE intake package or the current
specification “EPP” map is required with the EPP intake package. Failure to use the current map appropriate to the intake package
will result in an automatic penalty of 1 year suspension from SCCA club racing. The maps are available at the SCCA web site.
Change 9.1.1.B.4.k to read as follows:
Intake manifold and fuel injection components: One of the following intake packages must be used.
1. The Quicksilver RacEngines (QSRE) #0138 intake manifold and throttle body combination, air horns, fuel rail and
injector system are required and must be used with no modifications of any kind. Only stock Ford fuel injectors may be
used and they may not be modified in any way. Fuel injectors may be replaced only with stock Ford injector part number
#0280155887 XS4U-AA.
2. The Elan Power Products (EPP) DP08-60-002 intake manifold and throttle body combination, air horns, fuel rail
and injector system are required and must be used with no modifications of any kind. Fuel injectors may be replaced only
with stock Ford injector part number #0280155887 XS4U-AA.
No interchange of components between the approved intake packages is allowed. The appropriate map must be used with each package
(see j above). The appropriate intake restrictor must be used with each package (see l below).

[D.T. Benner]

If it does Not get approved it will be.

[Phil Picard]

It has come to my attention that this issue has set a record on received mail by the SCCA.

There are 2 days left to register your desires to the BoD ,CRB and President in this matter.

If you and someone you know has not yet sent a letter, please do so.

links are throughout this post and another one tab up.


Friday at 5pm Central is the cut off.


Thanks,



geez Charles, how DO you find all the time??

[Jnovak]

That is the proposal that has yet to be approved by the BOD.

Thanks ... Jay

[Zebra]

Time to toss out the Works Team, for starting this and time to Boycott Elan.

GTP also has parts for us

Further we must all discuss Class action against SCCA AND Elan for tortious interference and fraudulent inducement since they lied on development cost and many other aspects. SCCA already has pointed out to me that if I sue I will lose my membership. But Fat Boy Racing can sue and does NOT have a membership.

Charles Finelli

[Zebra]

Mike Rand call.

Charles Finelli

[S Lathrop]

Most of you drive Van Diemens. Think of all those who don't. What is the probability that a non Van Diemen customer can even get parts or an engine?

If SCCA will ignore rules, and precident to make the Elan engine legal, who is dumb enough to think that this show of preference won't prevail in all things involving an Elan engine, even to a post race tech inspection.

Zebra, what is your count of customers? Sorry clients?

[Zebra]

GTP

has not used elan since the beggining of last season. They had a falling out,
they have numerous new pieces such as billett racks alumn uprights they are debuting at the first event. NO need to call any body else for parts they arfe completely stocked and have a new 40ft parts only support trailer.
They have a massive inventory in stock and constantly adding.
Stock about 10k worth of PFC, massive amount of bodywork noses side pods floors BBS rims in stock complete wings from spa and have 99% percent of that car being made in the states.
all parts on the shelf
they never stopped being a dealer and have a trailer just for parts to support the series this year.
Theyhave any piece that anybody would need plus were stocking piper parts for fast forward,

[London_Calling]

The guy who started it probably won't have a job in 8 months anyway.

Well, you're a man of the world, squire
wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more

I was in Scarsdale talking to a bloke - we both used to tig up the headrests on the Formula X cars together - back before the tossers took over. I'm telling my mate the story about the wankers over there and he says it is this guy we used to see in the factory on Tuesday's. He smelled like cheese. Turns out my mates uncle also worked with the bloke at Lola. He said don't trust the tosser - he's a liar. Sounds like the violence is still inherent in the system.

Good luck mates - I'm off to give a good spanking.

[Indyman]

GTP

has not used elan since the beggining of last season. They had a falling out,
they have numerous new pieces such as billett racks alumn uprights they are debuting at the first event. NO need to call any body else for parts they arfe completely stocked and have a new 40ft parts only support trailer.
They have a massive inventory in stock and constantly adding.
Stock about 10k worth of PFC, massive amount of bodywork noses side pods floors BBS rims in stock complete wings from spa and have 99% percent of that car being made in the states.
all parts on the shelf
they never stopped being a dealer and have a trailer just for parts to support the series this year.
Theyhave any piece that anybody would need plus were stocking piper parts for fast forward,

I wonder how much this commercial for GTP cost them. You should get ahold of Hillery Clinton, they need someone to make her sound better then she really is, just like you just did for GTP.

Take a pill, your going to have a heart attack for nothing.

[jim morgan]

Charles,
This is getting good, if you sue you will lose your membership but if an interrelated vendor sues we will violate our own rules and settle. Plus if a "member" team made up of members sues an affiliated organization sanctioned by us it's ok. Interstate commerce,federal courts,
the sanctions and attorneys fees in federal court make it a lot more fun.

If we spend the same time we waste on Apex in discovery( for the non lawyers, discovery to us is as engineering is to race cars, you can always tweak more out, race cars speed,underappreciated societal scum lawyers $).

[Beartrax]

Oh, this will be entertaining when Charles lets loose on "Indyman"...

Dude, you have no idea what you just got in to!

[gcuddy]

Actually come to think of it, there should be a legal action taken against Elan,(of the criminal sort) for the crap they have been selling us,anyone who has assembled that lump of s*** they pass off as a car knows what I'm talking about.

[Indyman]

Oh, this will be entertaining when Charles lets loose on "Indyman"...

Dude, you have no idea what you just got in to!

Bring it on baby.


What makes you think Indyman, Zebra and London Calling are not all differant personalities of Charles???

[London_Calling]

Hmmmmmm Interesting

[Zebra]

Love it.

I have to find a job.

Chas Fin

[Zebra]

Go vote everyone one here the other in F2000.

Indyman I CREATED Obama/Osama both just a fiction out of nothing. Power of Promotion.

And I do live ya,

Charles Finelli
FatBoy

[Zebrea]

Go vote everyone one here the other in F2000.

Indyman I CREATED Obama/Osama both just a fiction out of nothing. Power of Promotion.

And I do live ya,

Charles Finelli
FatBoy

What do you mean you CREATED Obama/Osama? I did it while you were talking to Satan. Hey, who else is in here?


Charles, I'm really Sybil, Finelli

[cooleyjb]

What do you mean you CREATED Obama/Osama? I did it while you were talking to Satan. Hey, who else is in here?


Charles, I'm really Sybil, Finelli

What's with the childish attempt to mimic/mock someone with a similar screen name?

Annoying.

[Jnovak]

Have not had this much fun for quite some time!

Hi Sybil, it's been way to long since we got together.

Thanks ... Jay

[dc]

I'm going to say this once for everyone to see... I'm really tired of all the crap on the forums lately—from pointless polls to post count padding to fake user accounts to slam others without using real identities. None of it will be tolerated.

Alias accounts are NOT allowed on ApexSpeed. If you are caught using a secondary account to attack others or express antagonistic viewpoints, all of your accounts will be permanently banned from ApexSpeed.

I don't care who you are, if you break our user rules, we'll get rid of you for good.



First warning, last warning.

[race95]

YES, thanks Doug, hope that helps and stops some of the wasted time here!!!

[DaveW]

I'm going to say this once for everyone to see... I'm really tired of all the crap on the forums lately—from pointless polls to post count padding to fake user accounts to slam others without using real identities. None of it will be tolerated.

Alias accounts are NOT allowed on ApexSpeed. If you are caught using a secondary account to attack others or express antagonistic viewpoints, all of your accounts will be permanently banned from ApexSpeed.

I don't care who you are, if you break our user rules, we'll get rid of you for good.



First warning, last warning.

Thank you!

[RussMcB]

Thanks, Doug. This latest barage of low class bickering and your reaction is confirmation of how fortunate we are to have this online community. Thank you very much for your high quality efforts.

[DaveW]

http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...k-mar-club.pdf

I sent in my email opposition to this. Even though I sent one relating to the request for input that started this thread, I thought I'd better play it safe, and send it again relating to the Fastrack item above.

[Charles Warner]

I'm going to say this once for everyone to see... I'm really tired of all the crap on the forums lately—from pointless polls to post count padding to fake user accounts to slam others without using real identities. None of it will be tolerated.

Alias accounts are NOT allowed on ApexSpeed. If you are caught using a secondary account to attack others or express antagonistic viewpoints, all of your accounts will be permanently banned from ApexSpeed.

I don't care who you are, if you break our user rules, we'll get rid of you for good.



First warning, last warning.

Thanks Doug. For those too lazy to look up the address to send your comments to:

crb@scca.com

And you don't have to have a dog in this particular fight . . . . when our processes are violated it affects all.

[GTP]

Ok, I've been quiet on this Elan engine topic long enough and anyone who knows me can tell you that I'm not short on opinions. I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT! The reason is that I want this class to survive. Because it is in the best interest of my business and my customers, SO CALL ME SELFISH. The funny thing is my customers also want us to survive. They know that we go to great lengths to offer them the most value for their money. The last thing we want is to tell them that they need to spend money on new unecessary engine parts to stay competitive when the engine package works so well as is. This "look out for your customers best interest" approach has worked well for us. Tom Fatur has been with us for nearly a decade and Matt Mcdonough and John Levy are not far behind. They are more like family and they shouldn't be forced to make unecessary changes and additional costs. SO CALL ME SELFISH. Parts customers want us to survive because we have a tremendous inventory of knowlege and spares that are essential in keeping them on track and the headaches to a minimum.
No one has given a good reason why we need this intake. The last thing any of us need is for the greedy to open this pandora's box! Look around at the other open wheel racing series. Are the healthy and growing? NO! Champ car is all but gone, IRL isn't all that strong either. Support series like I.P.S., Formula atlantic and Star mazda are all struggling with soaring costs and shrinking fields. In a year or two you'll probably be asking "what's a Forumula BMW?" These are tough economic times and the lack of planning and cost control is the reason this situation is now catching up with them.
So, what is the reason that F2000 is seeing such stunning growth? (at least with the Pro Series) the answer is that they have been "looking out for the customers best interest." The ability to control costs and operate without serious sponsorship money or having to fill the grid with rich guys or the kids of rich dad's (both of which are becoming harder to find) is key to this. If they or we lose this control we are in no better situation than all the rest of the open wheel world. We all need to say "NO" to unecessary cost escalation. Now and in the future.
I urge you to contact the BOD and CRB and say "NO". We won't be forced to make unecessary changes and increased costs so that a few may benefit financially. Changes should be made for the benefit of the drivers and teams so that the F2000 class can continue to flourish.

Glenn
GTP Motorsports

[Jim Garry]

And you don't have to have a dog in this particular fight . . . . when our processes are violated it affects all.

I don't own an FC. But I sent an email to the CRB and BOD to make clear my disapproval of how this and other issues have been mishandled. Thanks Charles.

Jim

[Zebra]

Mr. Carter, Charles Finelli, Zebra, has never NOT signed his REAL name to every post.
My profile is clear unlike many AND I have never come in under an alias

Charles Finelli

[Douglas Kniffin]

Recent history review... Didn't the SCCA get their ass handed to them in court the last time they tried to selectively exclude a car/engine?

[John Caldwell]

I would like to get a clarification on this subject. If I run a Pinto block with an aluminum head converted to FI with an Elan manifold, can I run 8" & 10" wheels ?

[Tom Sprecher]

I'm going to say this once for everyone to see... I'm really tired of all the crap on the forums lately—from pointless polls to post count padding to fake user accounts to slam others without using real identities. None of it will be tolerated.

Alias accounts are NOT allowed on ApexSpeed. If you are caught using a secondary account to attack others or express antagonistic viewpoints, all of your accounts will be permanently banned from ApexSpeed.

I don't care who you are, if you break our user rules, we'll get rid of you for good.



First warning, last warning.

Awwww maaaaaan, and it was just gettin' good too.

You guys need a section on this site where anything goes. Others do and can be quite interesting and entertaining at times but it is not for those who don't have the stomach for it.

[Douglas Kniffin]

This site is way to PC in my opinion... I always sign my name but I can see why others might not.

[dc]

Mr. Carter, Charles Finelli, Zebra, has never NOT signed his REAL name to every post.
My profile is clear unlike many AND I have never come in under an alias

Charles Finelli

I never mentioned you specifically, Charles. Are you feeling guilty about something? And third-person, too?

[dc]

This site is way to PC in my opinion... I always sign my name but I can see why others might not.

Bwahahaha, I've never been accused of being that before. That's a good one.

[Beartrax]

OK - getting back to the original thought of this thread...

First of all, in the interest of full disclosure, I do not own a FC, but I do crew in SCCA and F2000 for friends.

Secondly, I am against the hurry up and approve the new manifold and map idea.

Going back a way, a lot of work was done in the form of testing and remapping in order to equalize the Pinto and Zetec engines. The Pintos and Zetecs seemed reasonably competitive in the F2000 series last year. At this moment I do not recall the conclusion regarding Pinto/Zetec equality in the SCCA races (please remind me).

But, to get to my point, what if the same amount of testing was performed with 2 Pintos, 2 QSR Zetecs and 2 EPP Zetecs? Could the EPP engine be mapped to match the performance of the QSR engine?

Now, before you say yes or no, put aside all your warm and fuzzy feelings towards Elan and the teams that wish to use the EPP engine.

Please don't flame me: I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I am honestly trying to put forth a scientific hypothesis. And I have not received any compensation for this.

[stonebridge20]

OK - getting back to the original thought of this thread...

First of all, in the interest of full disclosure, I do not own a FC, but I do crew in SCCA and F2000 for friends.

Secondly, I am against the hurry up and approve the new manifold and map idea.

Going back a way, a lot of work was done in the form of testing and remapping in order to equalize the Pinto and Zetec engines. The Pintos and Zetecs seemed reasonably competitive in the F2000 series last year. At this moment I do not recall the conclusion regarding Pinto/Zetec equality in the SCCA races (please remind me).

But, to get to my point, what if the same amount of testing was performed with 2 Pintos, 2 QSR Zetecs and 2 EPP Zetecs? Could the EPP engine be mapped to match the performance of the QSR engine?

Now, before you say yes or no, put aside all your warm and fuzzy feelings towards Elan and the teams that wish to use the EPP engine.

Please don't flame me: I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I am honestly trying to put forth a scientific hypothesis. And I have not received any compensation for this.

Put all 6 on the same chassis dyno on the same day with the same tension on the straps with the same operator and you will get the numbers you need. Will that happen,........NO!

[Phil Picard]

Gang, All we can hope for is that all our "votes" are heard and actually carry weight with the SCCA

Soon we will find out if the SCCA is the Member Driven organization as they state they are.

Interestingly enough, this has seemed to drawn most of the FC community closer together

OK, enough of that sentiment stuff. (Long Island please refrain from the comment)

If your reading this I'm sure you wrote your letters. Call your buddy who maybe did not.

One Day to go!!! Friday 5 pm Central time

Thanks Apex for allowing this to happen here!

And thanks for also stopping what was happening here.

Phil Picard
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[Beartrax]

OK, enough of that sediment stuff. (Long Island please refrain from the comment)

Phil Picard

"sediment" - Like the bottom of the septic tank?
or did you mean "sentiment"...

PS I'm from CT, not Long Island

[Phil Picard]

Ha Ha And a good speller too, Thanks, it works both ways, doesnt it.