New RFR F2000?

[cbr900rr]

Any one know anything about Ralf Firman building a car for FC? In the latest issue of Race Car Engineering Ralf Firman is interviewed and mentions a version of his new FB car may be created to accommodate the FC rules.

[Wren]

All I have seen is what is on their website

http://www.rfrcars.com/

[-pru-]

All I have seen is what is on their website

http://www.rfrcars.com/

Via the above link, I made my way to the gallery for the noted car. Does anyone know the dimension of the newest car? Specifically, the wheelbase. To me, the wheelbase in the renderings looks significantly shorter than the current generation FC/FF2000.

[cbr900rr]

Thanks Wren. Looks like that may be the way to go.

[jimj11]

First one ready in Feb. or March goes to Niki C.

[Purple Frog]

Expect to see 5 or 6 more coming to the US as fast as they can be built. That was the word from PRI.

And it won't be the only new chassis in the F2000ChampionshipSeries for 2010... There could easily be 7 different makes competing in the Series this season.

Got to love it.

[RussMcB]

Has the RFR F2000 debuted yet?

[Ivinsea]

http://www.rfrcars.com/

[asw]

A nice looking car! Would any one here have access to more pictures of the car?

[Thomas Copeland]

Russ McB wrote: Has the RFR F2000 debuted yet?

Check out the entry list for FC at the 2010 Runoffs.



I was waiting to get permission to show these but since one is already up on the website guess it's now okay.

[Thomas Copeland]

This is no way a guarantee that this is how the car will look at the runoffs however.

[eospeed]

Thats a nice splitter in pic 2

[Matt King]

That nose could probably start a thread that will rival the Radon discussion!

[Thomas Copeland]

I already stated that his may or may not be how the car will look at the runoffs.

I only posted these because a really good photo of the car already exists on the RFR website (that is the same as one of the photos I posted)

I wouldn't try to read too much into the photos.

But the new car looks exciting doesn't it?

[eospeed]

I already stated that his may or may not be how the car will look at the runoffs.

I only posted these because a really good photo of the car already exists on the RFR website (that is the same as one of the photos I posted)

I wouldn't try to read too much into the photos.

But the new car looks exciting doesn't isn't it?

Thomas you cant take it off as there would be no front floor .Your a dealer so what is the scoop on that floor\spliter combo pack?

[Thomas Copeland]

Can't tell you much about anything right now. But I guess there will be plenty to see in real life next week when the car shows up at Road America.

I believe there will be contingent of RFR people there (but that's no secret...including a few of us from the West Coast). All I can say for now.

[Wren]

It showed up this morning in an air freight crate and was delivered to Niki's trailer. It looked pretty much like the photos above with the raised nose. That by itself doesn't make it illegal. Paddock talk is that being done like that can be specifically legal.

[Steve Demeter]

Most definitely sweet looking.

If that is not sexy enough to appeal to the youngsters out there, nothing is.

[Matt King]

Doesn't the floor have to attach to the front bulkhead with less than a 1 inch vertical deviation? I can't tell from the photos where the bulkhead is on the RFR, but I would guess that would be the first question asked.

edit: Looks like maybe the front bulkhead extends down to the "floor."

[Beartrax]

This is no way a guarantee that this is how the car will look at the runoffs however.

It will look different. It will have a Pouredfoundations decal on it.

[HazelNut]

she looks badass!!!!

[Rick Ross]

If that is not sexy enough to appeal to the youngsters out there, nothing is.

The youngsters all want a sequential shifter. They are afraid of a good 'ole H-pattern box.

[Steve Demeter]

They can learn.

Probably an I Phone app available to practice is available.

[provamo]

i dunno, the engine cover reminds me of an old Cooper

[Rick Ross]

The picture below is of the carbon tub version of the car.....also known as a Dallara F308.

[asw]

It may look like the Dallara but has it been designed using the same processess used by Dallara? (aerodynamically speaking)

[Rick Ross]

I'm pretty sure that Dallara has their own wind tunnel(?). On the other hand, the F3 rules require spec airfoil sections. The Firman F1000 car is provided with spec F3 airfoils as far as I know. Don't know if this is the case with the new Firman FC, although it appears likely based upon these initial pics.

[asw]

Yes, Dallara has their own wind tunnel facility. Since their cars are designed in their own facility, it shows that atleast their cars are aerodynamically sound.

What is the case with the new RFR? Has the aerodynamics of the car gone through any legit process (wind tunnel / CFD) or is it just the result of some concept sketches?

[Rick Ross]

What is the case with the new RFR? Has the aerodynamics of the car gone through any legit process (wind tunnel / CFD) or is it just the result of some concept sketches?

I have no idea. Perhaps some of the folks currently at the Runoffs will be able to tell us more.

[Wren]

Based on my eyeball measurements, it looks a lot like the Firman FB car with a separate frame leading forward to meet the stressed pan rule. I am not sure if that is completely true, but to the eye they are very closely related.

[TimW]

Based on my eyeball measurements, it looks a lot like the Firman FB car with a separate frame leading forward to meet the stressed pan rule. I am not sure if that is completely true, but to the eye they are very closely related.

Did it arrive in a crate as a pallet of parts or as a runner?

[Wren]

I would call it driveable. There was some disassembly to make it fit in a crate but it was at least recognizable as a car.

[Ivinsea]

This is a works car, not a customer car. I am sure it is tested and developed and hand-made to be as good as it gets.

[Darrin Teeter]

That nose could probably start a thread that will rival the Radon discussion!

It may not be illegal per the 2010 rules, but the proposed rules "clarification" does not allow a raised nose, correct? Looks fantastic though. I hope all the work wasnt in vain.

[Firman West Cars]

All RFR rollers come on pallet fully assemblied (no engine and with the nose and wings taken off for shipping).

The Firman dealers in the USA can also provide turn-key cars for their customers. Engine installation and setup for both F1000 and F2000 cars.

We have shipped in two cars like this (fully assemblied with engine and near race ready condition, one for a customer) but don't plan on doing any more (too many importation headaches). It's much better for the customer and from a customer support standpoint to have all this work done here at our shops and not at the factory.

[2BWise]

Doesn't the engine get considered as hazardous cargo? In 2008 I was involved in shipping a formula car to England and to ease the shipping process we sent the motor over early and then left it in England after the competition. When queried as to the contents we declared it as a "wheelchair". Another team (with a carbon tub) declared theirs a "canoe".

[allof6]

Is it safe to assume that since it is competing at the runoffs that it has passed all the initial hurdles and now we just wait for the protests

[Wren]

I don't know that it is competing. I haven't seen it turn a wheel yet.

[Scott Gesford]

look at RFR CARS on facebook. Has some more pics of the car at the runoffs

[Purple Frog]

I couldn't get anyone at RA to post any pictures, so I flew up this morning and took my own. Thanks to the great guys at Arms Up who let me shoot while they prepped the car for an outing at Blackhawk.

Niki's car got held up for a week in customs, and got to RA too late to be readied for the Runons.
OBTW, i don't think the exhaust pipe is the final edition.

For those questioning the intent of the rules, this appears to be a flat bottomed car...