Penske's disqualified, Abel still out ?

[Lotus7]

Of course we all only know what was published publicly, but if two cars get disqualified in qual for being illegal, and get "sent to the back", wouldn't that be considered "behind whoever qualified slowest"?

I'm trying to figure out why Abel isn't starting 32nd, and one of the Penske's isn't starting at all .......

[DaveW]

Of course we all only know what was published publicly, but if two cars get disqualified in qual for being illegal, and get "sent to the back", wouldn't that be considered "behind whoever qualified slowest"?

I'm trying to figure out why Abel isn't starting 32nd, and one of the Penske's isn't starting at all .......

Good question, but, IMO, the disqualification and penalty was already verging on an "over the top" response to a VERY minor modification. I can understand why it was so severe, but some degree of relating the penalty severity to offense benefit would also have made sense.

[Jerry Kehoe]

What seems to be missing in the discussion with the two Penske cars being sent to the back of the field is that they passed tech the first day and would have qualified simply on time. Did they have the modified parts on? Who knows but they passed then so that should be the standard. After all perhaps nearly the entire field could have had some detail that could have been illegal at some point but once they actually passed it is a mute point. The cars were initially pulled because the only things they were allowed to adjust were the wing angles, tire pressure and they were doing more than allowed leading to the penalty. Pretty simple.

[R. Pare]

https://www.indycar.com/news/2025/05...nske-penalties

[R. Pare]

Interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xdfz-VS0vM

[Lotus7]

Good question, but, IMO, the disqualification and penalty was already verging on an "over the top" response to a VERY minor modification. I can understand why it was so severe, but some degree of relating the penalty severity to offense benefit would also have made sense.

David, I respectfully disagree. As I read it, the component is a "no touch" item, so no degree of leeway as I see it.
Penalties that scale with the severity of intent is a slippery slope (in racing anyway I think.

If our car is only 1 pound light at the end of next weekends qualification session, how far back the grid would you move me? and for 5 pounds?

[DaveW]

David, I respectfully disagree. As I read it, the component is a "no touch" item, so no degree of leeway as I see it.
Penalties that scale with the severity of intent is a slippery slope (in racing anyway) I think.

If our car is only 1 pound light at the end of next weekends qualification session, how far back the grid would you move me? and for 5 pounds?

Good points, and I have to agree with your point of view. It just seemed out of proportion.

[BLS]

Short of there being an accident in front that catches them up, I predict by race end they will be up front and in contention.

I have not seen a video/pic of Roger recently. Damn, we're all getting old...

[Lotus7]

Good points, and I have to agree with your point of view. It just seemed out of proportion.

no argument, but since I’m not Adrian Newey I don’t know if and how much this helped them, but it seems outside the concept of “exploring the limits of the grey areas”.

lots of interesting facts (and opinions) published since my first post.