More SPY photos

[greg pizzo]

[FONT=Verdana]Just got done making a MOUNTIAN OF DUST and I’m still not done ... need to recover and find my respirator !! [/FONT]

[Purple Frog]

Just in time to renew a winter discussion about forward facing gaps.

[greg pizzo]

I dont see any forward facing gaps ... no holes that allow air to pass thru except the air that cools to radiators ..

[Steve Demeter]

Loks like a frammus rod air distribution system to me.

forward facing gaps..... we don't need no steenlin forward facing gaps

[greg pizzo]

if there was a barge board or a support from inlet to floor .. then there is an opening since there is neither ... then I would argue against it being illegal ... radon firman are legal right ? as they are now ..

and really do we ( I do not ) want to be STUCK in yester year ??? vintage racing ?

[glenn cooper]

The Purple One jests...

As to the forward facing gaps - we are now all illegal, so I guess all winged open wheel classes can just pack it in and go find their own pro series to run in - Yay!

[Purple Frog]

For the record, i didn't see any gaps.

Also for the record. I believe in 6 years of F2kCS racing, VDs have won every event. I think this kind of "modernization" will only positively extend their life span.

[greg pizzo]

here's hoping !! that was the intent ... moderization of a already good car ..

[RobLav]

Tisk Tisk... I see body fasteners at less than 6"!
It's probably just the angle of the camera...

[JRMarchand]

Greg that looks really nice, I am afraid to ask, but what is the name to the process you are using to build from scratch like in those pictures? I think that is a fantastic shape, no weird chimneys, bravo.


juan marchand

[greg pizzo]

Tisk Tisk... I see body fasteners at less than 6"!
It's probably just the angle of the camera...

what you see is ...holes from multiple installations... none of which are currently filled with rivets or screws ... second hand body work is kinda like that

[greg pizzo]

Greg that looks really nice, I am afraid to ask, but what is the name to the process you are using to build from scratch like in those pictures? I think that is a fantastic shape, no weird chimneys, bravo.


juan marchand

Thanks Juan ! there is no real NAME I don't think ... but it kind of takes a number of disciplines and melds them all together .. take the best stab at a shape with the CAD ... make sections every 2-4 inches ... then make a drawing of those sections print them out 1:1 scale .. make wood or MDF 1/4 thick of those cross sections and FIT them to the rest the body work then space them at 2-4" what ever is appropriate THEN throw out the CAD model shape and adjust on the fly !
Make both sides the SAME .. then cut foam to insert and glue together ... let simmer for a few days .. or hours which ever your patience will allow (mine was a couple hours) THEN break out the saws all and start shaping ... THEN make a MOUNTAIN or 2 of DUST and presto! if you were a good boy and wore your respirator ... then you are ready for the next step But if you were NOT and are paying for your stupidity ... then you are SICK from all the inhaled dust ... I'm taking a break to get well again and find my respirator for the next step ... the plastic filler stage.

I'm not sure what you call it but that is it in a nutshell

Oh one more thing ... get your local (Dauntless Engineering) to cut you the first 4 inches on their 3D router a huge help ! Stan Clayton was excellent at this and very reasonable I might add !! Thanks Stan and Rennie HUGE help !

[Stan Clayton]

Oh one more thing ... get your local (Dauntless Engineering) to cut you the first 4 inches on their 3D router a huge help ! Stan Clayton was excellent at this and very reasonable I might add !! Thanks Stan and Rennie HUGE help !

We were glad to help...and sorry your time line was too short to do the entire sidepod. But then, hey...you got to free form it!

Here's a short video clip I took while carving an inlet for Greg (no sound).

Greg Pizzo FC Inlet Video

[greg pizzo]

Here are a few from the rear of the car. please excuse the MESS !! it is considerable !

[dc]

Good looking side pods, Greg. Really nice work!

[Chris Livengood]

Cool sidepods Greg. Not cool enough to die over though, work safe man.

[greg pizzo]

Thanks ! I dont think I'll die JUST yet !! but LESSON learned !! find the respirator !! then make a mess !!

[asw]

Inspired by the Radon?

[greg pizzo]

[FONT=Verdana]Actually not as much as the RB6 .. I was really thinking of doing this 2+ year ago had some CAD models done way back then ... I kind of gave up the idea after thinking how much work it was ! .... Once I got hooked up with Gary Hickman and saw some of my models turned into real parts .... I changed my mind about whether it could be done or not. Sure the Radon was a bit of encouragement as well ....... Nathan and the whole crew that produced that master piece did a OUTSTANDING job !! [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]I really like some of the design aspects of the Radon Nice car! But a lot of this was all models up before we ever saw any pictures of the Radon. I've wanted to build a car for close to 10 years. just never had all the pieces together to be able to make it happen at once before. Case in point the Shim based push rod were a project that was started (modeled in CAD in 2009) not until 2011 did the parts get made … although the parts got STARTED in AUG of 2010 .. didn’t get finished till FEB 2011 Gary Hickman really helped make this a reality !! the machinist I was using before him was just not able to move fast enough to make it happen .. NICE guy !! supper nice work but just couldn’t make it happen quick enough to finish .. When I was introduced to Gary Hickman, WOW! GREAT GUY ! very responsive and EXCELLENT work and could make it happen ! [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Was that answer too much info??... short is not really but the Radon got me thinking it could make it from the CAD to the real world [/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/FONT]

[79royale]

Hey Greg. What kind of foam do you use and where do you get it? Great work.

Dave Loken

[greg pizzo]

Dave
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[FONT=Verdana]The stuff is 4lb density urethane foam, come it sheets from thin to thick. I used a combo of 2" and 4" thick foam [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]you can get it from Fiber glass supply in Oregon here [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Not exceedingly cheap but works good !! and you can apply resin and other stuff to it without MELTING it [/FONT]

[JRMarchand]

Greg

Thanks for explaining. Be interested to see if these would fit the RF98 cockpit panels with a little bit of sanding.

And if you have a chance, let us know what radiator or cooling arrangement you expect to work the best.

Yeah man, get extra respirators and don't forget to shop vac inside the engine's air inlet

[79royale]

Very cool. Thanks!

[greg pizzo]

Greg

Thanks for explaining. Be interested to see if these would fit the RF98 cockpit panels with a little bit of sanding.

And if you have a chance, let us know what radiator or cooling arrangement you expect to work the best.

Yeah man, get extra respirators and don't forget to shop vac inside the engine's air inlet

[FONT=Verdana]Thanks!! The engine inlet is stuffed with rags ... exhaust is taped with 100mph tape ... This CAR is an early Rf98 .. has late model side panels .. so it could be done, I don’t think THAT part is any different .. the main difference is in the engine cover .. but even then not a huge deal.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]The radiators are all new and that info will be coming soon .. (that is the next step) .. 2 weeks or so I will have pix of that whole deal MUCH BETTER than the OEM set up. well I will be able to say that after it is tested but am confident it will be and WAY easier to work on !! GONE are the cross tubes in front of the engine !! [/FONT]

[asw]

[FONT=Verdana]Actually not as much as the RB6 .. I was really thinking of doing this 2+ year ago had some CAD models done way back then ... I kind of gave up the idea after thinking how much work it was ! .... Once I got hooked up with Gary Hickman and saw some of my models turned into real parts .... I changed my mind about whether it could be done or not. Sure the Radon was a bit of encouragement as well ....... Nathan and the whole crew that produced that master piece did a OUTSTANDING job !! [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]I really like some of the design aspects of the Radon Nice car! But a lot of this was all models up before we ever saw any pictures of the Radon. I've wanted to build a car for close to 10 years. just never had all the pieces together to be able to make it happen at once before. Case in point the Shim based push rod were a project that was started (modeled in CAD in 2009) not until 2011 did the parts get made … although the parts got STARTED in AUG of 2010 .. didn’t get finished till FEB 2011 Gary Hickman really helped make this a reality !! the machinist I was using before him was just not able to move fast enough to make it happen .. NICE guy !! supper nice work but just couldn’t make it happen quick enough to finish .. When I was introduced to Gary Hickman, WOW! GREAT GUY ! very responsive and EXCELLENT work and could make it happen ! [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Was that answer too much info??... short is not really but the Radon got me thinking it could make it from the CAD to the real world [/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/FONT]

Thanks!

Are you using the existing radiator? Any packaging issues?

[jgrooms]

Really nice job. Can you recommend a tool for shaping the foam after the rough cut is done. I need to shape and smooth out a bead seat prior to having it covered.

Thanks.

[greg pizzo]

Thanks!

Are you using the existing radiator? Any packaging issues?

[FONT=Verdana]Not the OEM coolers they will be different and not the same right and left. slight chance that the OEM could be MADE to work .. but that is not the primary goal and not the path we are taking now. the packaging is substantially better I think .. everything is easily accessible and cleaner ! when we are done we'll post pix .. soon [/FONT]

[greg pizzo]

Really nice job. Can you recommend a tool for shaping the foam after the rough cut is done. I need to shape and smooth out a bead seat prior to having it covered.

Thanks.

I used a number of tools. really liked the saws-all fopr the big cuts and a long board sander was used to shape the big curves the small stuff was done with a drill and a drum sander 2" diameter then to finish it off I had a foam pad that had been wrapped in like #80 grit paper ... comes all moulded together and they are CHEAP !! that works very well to do a lot of the medium to small shapiing/blending ..beyond that lots of ELBOW !

[Revs2-12k]

Looks great...but it may cause an unwanted situation.....

Win a few races with that sidepod design and you'll be spending much more time in that garage.....The orders will pour in!

[greg pizzo]

Looks great...but it may cause an unwanted situation.....

Win a few races with that sidepod design and you'll be spending much more time in that garage.....The orders will pour in!

Already ahead of you ! got THAT covered ! I am making the shape and doing all the "fun" part I have "PEOPLE" doing the rest

[asw]

[FONT=Verdana]Not the OEM coolers they will be different and not the same right and left. slight chance that the OEM could be MADE to work .. but that is not the primary goal and not the path we are taking now. the packaging is substantially better I think .. everything is easily accessible and cleaner ! when we are done we'll post pix .. soon [/FONT]

Good luck! I hope it goes well.

I assume you have done the cooling and mass flow calculations to get everything right.

[greg pizzo]

Good luck! I hope it goes well.

I assume you have done the cooling and mass flow calculations to get everything right.

Yup did all the homework .. should be good for 250+ HP on a 95 degree day ALOT more oil cooling capacity which will help both oil and water temp.

[Phil Picard]

hmmmmmmmm veeeeeery interesting.

[Lee Shumosic]

Hot gasses over the rear wing....

[Stan Clayton]

Wow...that was quick. In one week Greg goes from a stack of brown foam to white-primered parts delivered to the East Coast.

Way to go, bro!

[greg pizzo]

hmmmmmmmm veeeeeery interesting.

and YET VEREEEERY different !

[greg pizzo]

Hot gasses over the rear wing....

maybe more like a blown diffuser .. oppps did I say that out loud ???

[greg pizzo]

Wow...that was quick. In one week Greg goes from a stack of brown foam to white-primered parts delivered to the East Coast.

Way to go, bro!

Stan ... I am making progress but I'm not that good ....
I think Phil is trying to compare his new pretty Radon to my VD parts ...... that are done (Radon) .. it will be weeks yet till parts are on the VD car ... they will be in the hands of a very capable composites man this week but then we wait ...

[Phil Picard]

Ha Ha Ha just havin a little fun..

Nice Job Greg!

BTW I still have a VD ....... am interested.

[greg pizzo]

Ha Ha Ha just havin a little fun..

Nice Job Greg!

BTW I still have a VD ....... am interested.

figured maybe

Hope this turns out as well as it has in my mind already we will see soon!
The intent was the improve an already good car ie FIX the things about the VD that makes us all CURSE !!!