Lost Respect

[Tifosi]

Not saying that Michael wasn't wrong here but wtf did Rubino think Michael would do? They were teammates so they know how the other thinks, they don't like each other and it's for a point position.

[Rick Kirchner]

Anath - ALL crashes are serious until both guys climb out. Jovy Marcelo's wasn't that bad, nor Rich Vogler's, nor the Billy Vukovich's, and for that matter Dale Earnhardt's did't look that bad either.

Consider though, getting dropped on your head on top of the wall, like Jeff Krosnoff or Greg Moore. Had there been an accident, I bet it would have looked a lot like Krosnoff's.

As variations of the old saying goes, racing, mountain climbing, big game hunting, boxing, hell throw in skydiving - are sports not games, because the penalty for carelessness is death.

You can run around thumbing your nose at the Reaper, just don't step on his robe if you don't have to.

[F.Y.P.E.]

Most NASCAR Cup debacles have to do with slipping and sliding up the banks... Hmm. When Schumi did his latest on-camera chop, it was during a sustained Zero-G acceleration run on a GD straightaway. If nothing else, MS is acutely aware of his surroundings and situation. They were "fighting" for tenth place! It was personal. Rubens had conceded wins to the GDR, and that is now over. Did anyone see the pre-race interview WRT team orders? MS: BENCH the SOB. Nothing short of brain surgery will modify his behavior.

[provamo]

I recall Bandini shunting Hill in Mexico so that team-mate Surtees could win the World Championship in 1965

[DB4 Tim]

OOPS sorry did not realize you can know exactly how a crash will happen (you know knowledge of energy dissipation and how quick object of mass will decelerate) and more importantly how the outcome will be period with so many variables,

... you are quiet smart, would have been nice if you would have been around for those poor corner workers in F1... who got killed by flying debris.

The FIA needs to hire you soon.

An intentional attempt to force him into the wall? That's a pretty strong statement there chief....it definitely was an attempt to block him, but to force him into the wall??

And attributing all of his wins and world championships to a modus operandi largely consisting of blocking other drivers is LAME at best.



Right.....all of the 300+ km/h F1 crashes in the past 5 years have killed and crippled SO many.....

[Marshall Mauney]

MS: BENCH the SOB. Nothing short of brain surgery will modify his behavior.

Oh, c'mon, now. It's not like he went for an after-hours track walk or anything......

[Ananth K]

The FIA needs to hire you soon.

I'm working on it, Tim, working on it....

[ric baribeault]

we don't know what will happen in a crash. that's why we shouldn't do things that have a higher probability of causing them. why is that hard to understand?

[Matt King]

You could apply that principle to just about any pass attempt made in any class on any race track.

[Hardingfv32]

You guys are looking at this form the perspective of easy going club racers who have empathy for their fellow competitors.

Schumacher is paid big money to win. He has no comprehension that there is a driver in the car that is trying to pass. He has absolutely no concern about that driver's well being. While other drivers at this level might have similar skills, his total lack of empathy is what put him a cut above the rest.

This is the way he is wired. He considers it perfectly normal and would never consider it necessary to change his way of thinking. Being paid to be this way only reinforces his choices.

This is not a popularity contest, it is a motor race.

Brian

[Dennis Valet]

You guys are looking at this form the perspective of easy going club racers who have empathy for their fellow competitors.

Schumacher is paid big money to win. He has no comprehension that there is a driver in the car that is trying to pass. He has absolutely no concern about that driver's well being. While other drivers at this level might have similar skills, his total lack of empathy is what put him a cut above the rest.

This is the way he is wired. He considers it perfectly normal and would never consider it necessary to change his way of thinking. Being paid to be this way only reinforces his choices.

This is not a popularity contest, it is a motor race.

Brian

That's like saying that every truly successful football player should be out there looking to paralyze each and every opponent every time they step on the field.


There are rules in place to protect the safety of the individuals engaging in the sport, they should be respected.

[Rick Kirchner]

If you recall a couple of years back a guy was charged with either assault or manslaughter (can't remember the final consequences) as a result of intentionally punting someone at a oval track in the north east.

[Hardingfv32]

Schumacher is not out to hurt anyone, but he will not hesitate to take an action which is dangerous for another driver. The safety of another competitor is not going to help him win.

There are rules in F1, but Schumacher is always probing for the current limits of his actions. He will go as far as the officials and other drivers let him. He is not bound by a vague definition of sportsmanship. Everyone has a deferent definition of sportsmanship. No place for that in Schumacher's precise operating mind.

Brian

[Ted Idlof]

Schumacher is not out to hurt anyone, but he will not hesitate to take an action which is dangerous for another driver. The safety of another competitor is not going to help him win.

There are rules in F1, but Schumacher is always probing for the current limits of his actions. He will go as far as the officials and other drivers let him. He is not bound by a vague definition of sportsmanship. Everyone has a deferent definition of sportsmanship. No place for that in Schumacher's precise operating mind.

So, you not only understand MS, but condone his action, is that it? We know what he's thinking, we just think it's wrong at any level.

[Daryl DeArman]

IMO there is big difference between being called the "greatest" and being the most "accomplished"...He doesn't even have half the points of Nico. Heck, Hiro could have won half of those 90 with those cars, those engineers and those team orders.

If he wins a race this year that the big 3 finish I'll believe he is one of the best, until then...

[DB4 Tim]

A calculated high percentage pass , NO PROBLEM, a risky pass with run off no problem... he left out the one variable at that area of the track for that type of pass...and yes all areas of the track of their issues....BUT A WALL and the lack of conditions knowledge….(good drivers or great, they did not know what was there)..give all the tiny centimeters you want and leave one rock… clump of grass…. dislodged piece of concrete or difference in height of two surfaces…. and you have one hell of a wreck….

now some will be saying he walked that part of the track and knew what was there...so they can call it a high percentage pass....why does the amount of money one is paid have anything to do with being smart on track!

So if you really pay THE big bucks you can have someone endanger their life and other competitors to make the pass...seems a bit flawed way to win.

First picture upper left MS tires still turning towards RB
next shot to the right upper
and then lower left and then ...well was that just MS racing for money

You guys are looking at this form the perspective of easy going club racers who have empathy for their fellow competitors.

Schumacher is paid big money to win. He has no comprehension that there is a driver in the car that is trying to pass. He has absolutely no concern about that driver's well being. While other drivers at this level might have similar skills, his total lack of empathy is what put him a cut above the rest.

This is the way he is wired. He considers it perfectly normal and would never consider it necessary to change his way of thinking. Being paid to be this way only reinforces his choices.

This is not a popularity contest, it is a motor race.

Brian

[glenn cooper]

is the fact that there are basically 2 camps here on AS:
Those that are aghast at his actions, not just this latest one mind you, but are keenly aware of ALL the BS MS behaviors over the years.
Moves that have somehow actually enabled him to win Drivers Championships (!) as well.
We are also incredibly dumbfounded by the lack of sanctions from the sanctioning bodies over the years for blatant douche like behavior.

Then there is a faction, thankfully much smaller, of folks that actually seem to be impressed with his behavior and moves.
I liken it to a Latin / Machismo type of behavior.
To these people it's all balls to the walls, he's racing for mega $, blah blah blah, they do the same thing in NASCAR, you guys are a bunch of club racers, ya just don't get it...
This camp can't seem to grasp that it's a F'n miracle that no one was killed in the latest incident. Look at the still pics in the post above. We are talking millimeters here.
This group is so into hero worship that I wouldn't put it past any one of 'em to have a poster of MS on the wall that they bow down to 3 x's a day, facing the Fatherland.
FANatical worship indeed.

[Matt M.]

Schumacher IS king

You sissy's need to start watching tennis if you can't handle watching F1. Go out to the highway if you want uncompetitive passing...

strap on your HANS - sinch down your 6 point harness - arm the extinguisher... wimps.... I'd take a ride with the Schu any day - with a lapbelt and suicide knob and some nails to throw at you when we fly by.

Schumacher is the greatest of all time.... There is not a single driver on that grid who can hold his helmet without wetting thier pants. What he did was no different than any top flight driver over the last 20 years....... Oh, except he's got 7 WC's in his pocket... And he would have had more if Hill and that pitiful dweeb JV hadn't driven into him....

Excuse me - I need to go bow down to my Schumacher flag now. Good grief it's too long before I get to see him on TV again....

[Tom Valet]

For those of you not following the Honda Fit in CF discussion, they taught Schumacher to drive like that in law school.

[Matt King]

You sissy's need to start watching tennis if you can't handle watching F1.

It's getting pretty rough in pro tennis these days too!

[provamo]

For those of you not following the Honda Fit in CF discussion, they taught Schumacher to drive like that in law school.

now that was funny...really

i hope someone pulls the plug on this thread though

[LenFC11]

For those of you not following the Honda Fit in CF discussion, they taught Schumacher to drive like that in law school.

tom,

good one funy stuff

[Tom Maycock]

You should hear some of the stories about Jordan playing his kids in the driveway or how competitive he was in practice.

Respect has nothing to do with it. It's all about winning.

Sure, but the chance of Jordan killing one of his kids in the driveway was, to say the least, pretty minimal. And even on the floor of the United Center, no matter how intense it got, the most damage Jordan was likely to do to a spectator was spill his soda and popcorn.

The outcome of MS's latest insanity could have been much, much worse.

But the point is well-taken. There's no question that it was that same ruthlessness that helped propel MS to 7 championships. Some of Schumey's competitors simply weren't willing to do the things he would do to win. He knew it. They knew it. And it made a difference.

It's also why his 7 championships don't impress me much. And, yes, I know Schumey doesn't care what I think!

Tom

[brownslane]

I think that Mikey is getting too much credit for this dirty move. I think he just made a mistake. He thought he had the inside covered and was 2/100ths (or whatever split second) late in seeing Ruebens get there.

Mikey, in his prime, would have successfully blocked the inside, and just knocked him off the outside. It is just not his pace-setting skills that have deteriated.

That is exactly the problem. Some less-than-intelligent race driver wanna be will see this and think that is is OK to punt another guy off the track just because he might be "in my way"...

The feeble-minded will always see this as an excuse for their own poor behaviour.
I've seen it before.

Tom Owen

[Raceworks]

Schumacher IS king

You sissy's need to start watching tennis if you can't handle watching F1. Go out to the highway if you want uncompetitive passing...

strap on your HANS - sinch down your 6 point harness - arm the extinguisher... wimps.... I'd take a ride with the Schu any day - with a lapbelt and suicide knob and some nails to throw at you when we fly by.

Schumacher is the greatest of all time.... There is not a single driver on that grid who can hold his helmet without wetting thier pants. What he did was no different than any top flight driver over the last 20 years....... Oh, except he's got 7 WC's in his pocket... And he would have had more if Hill and that pitiful dweeb JV hadn't driven into him....

Excuse me - I need to go bow down to my Schumacher flag now. Good grief it's too long before I get to see him on TV again....

So if I you come up to pass me and I send you into the pit divider at 100+ mph, you'll just say "shucks, that's just racin" (well, assuming you aren't scissored in half, of course)?

Good to know.

[Evl]

He thought he had the inside covered and was 2/100ths (or whatever split second) late in seeing Ruebens get there.

Look at those pics. Schumi is looking in the mirrors, and know's exactly what he's doing. The only credit I'll give him is that he know's Rubens is there. When this same thing happens in club racing, it's because the bone head in front has forgotten that he has mirrors.

[DB4 Tim]

Tough words...sissy and all...a completely intellectual way of having a discussion....

O-and on the seven tiles...yes he did .....controlling the tires with Bridgstone...hum...and how important was that....

Many will ....and have said ...a very uneven playing field...that was good for Ferrari credits to all of them...would he have seven if it was level.....

Schumacher IS king

You sissy's need to start watching tennis if you can't handle watching F1. Go out to the highway if you want uncompetitive passing...

strap on your HANS - sinch down your 6 point harness - arm the extinguisher... wimps.... I'd take a ride with the Schu any day - with a lapbelt and suicide knob and some nails to throw at you when we fly by.

Schumacher is the greatest of all time.... There is not a single driver on that grid who can hold his helmet without wetting thier pants. What he did was no different than any top flight driver over the last 20 years....... Oh, except he's got 7 WC's in his pocket... And he would have had more if Hill and that pitiful dweeb JV hadn't driven into him....

Excuse me - I need to go bow down to my Schumacher flag now. Good grief it's too long before I get to see him on TV again....

[F.Y.P.E.]

1] Get that Brian "blocking" guy from IRL to officiate in Formula 1. We might be treated to a reenactment of the 6-car United States Grand Prix EVERY race weekend. Sole survivors of the black flag: 2 ea Fazzaz, 2 ea German Buicks, 2 ea assorted Virgins.

2] Keep the NASCAR crowd in check? Easy: Put the spotters in the passenger seat.

"This is an official attempt to kill this thread."

fype!

& F.Y. M.S.!