Immediate input needed - FC

[Zebra]

Doug Carter just setting record straight since someone used a variation of Zebra AND intimated I was several others. Just keeping it clear.

Charles Finelli

[Phil Picard]

Well maybe there are several voices in your head.... but we dont hear em..

[stonebridge20]

GREAT! 2 more FC "pissing threads. It used to be that you only needed to go to the corner to find the village idiot. Now you have to walk through the whole damn town!

[lil_fatboy]

GREAT! 2 more FC "pissing threads. It used to be that you only needed to go to the corner to find the village idiot. Now you have to walk through the whole damn town!

Hey Mike, Why don't you spend some of that pastel green connecticut money you have and come race in a class with more than two cars in the event. Then maybe you can comment on the village idiots on the FC Thread. Isn't there some kind of GT or what ever they call that class Forum you can go on.

[Thom]

OK - getting back to the original thought of this thread...

... But, to get to my point, what if the same amount of testing was performed with 2 Pintos, 2 QSR Zetecs and 2 EPP Zetecs? Could the EPP engine be mapped to match the performance of the QSR engine?

Who's 'gonna pay for all this testing, Barry, and how are we going to do it by March 1st.?

I don't want a spec series, but this isn't F1. At least the engine should be spec.

[stonebridge20]

Hey Mike, Why don't you spend some of that pastel green connecticut money you have and come race in a class with more than two cars in the event. Then maybe you can comment on the village idiots on the FC Thread. Isn't there some kind of GT or what ever they call that class Forum you can go on.

Take it easy there Grasshopper. I don't think you want to match resumes before you do your homework.

[lil_fatboy]

Take it easy there Grasshopper. I don't think you want to match resumes before you do your homework.

Fahan told me you where a great driver back in the day. Sell that tin top Big Boy and come racing with us.
PS get the Elan engine package.

[stonebridge20]

Fahan told me you where a great driver back in the day. Sell that tin top Big Boy and come racing with us.
PS get the Elan engine package.

I'm STILL a great driver! And the "tin top" is long gone. Set 3 lap records with it and moved back to FF. I'm too old for this FC stuff. My heart won't take the stress anymore.

Peace brother, Mike

[R Nicholas]

I know the Bod said that they will stop reviving input on this matter at 5;00pm today.

Does anyone know when the actual vote will take place? I'm assuming today.

Rob Nicholas.

[jim morgan]

I think we'll hear by Monday. Hopeing for the best(no) expecting the worst.

[Phil Creighton]

Now we wait to see what the CRB recommends to the BOD after all the input and it will be dealt with as item #1 on our next conference call on March 3rd. Thank you all for your input, I believe that this is the most input received on any subject since I have been associated with the CRB or BOD (1992).
Phil Creighton
Area 12 director

[jim morgan]

phil,
thanks for your representation.

[Garey Guzman]

Thanks for the update Phil. I think we're all interested in the outcome of something like this.

It's interesting that the decision will be made a couple of days after the proposed effective date.

[John LaRue]

I am concerned about notice of this proposal to those who don't monitor Apex Speed and rely on the official publication of Fastracks for this type of information.

[Tim Minor]

I understand that this matter is now in the hands of of only the board of directors.Please correct me if I am wrong.I would like to thank everyone who sent in letters and comments on this important matter.This is still supposed to be a member driven club.
Tim Minor Fc88

[M.Sauce]

Tim-et all, It is a member driven club.Remember if your director does not vote consistently with his members direction you can work to keep him from being reelected.The members are the lifes blood of this club and all BOD members have seen the number of comments on this subject. The member input cannot be denied or ignored ever in my opinion and there is no mistake what the members think on this subject.We vote on March 3rd. I am sure the outcome will be up on the SCCA website the next day.

[Chas Shaffer]

I am concerned about notice of this proposal to those who don't monitor Apex Speed and rely on the official publication of Fastracks for this type of information.

I agree. I emailed Niki Coello Wednesday asking his thoughts only to learn he had no idea it was going on. By bypassing Fastrack SCCA has potentially omitted a significant amount of membership input. It is not a safe assumption that everyone reads this site.

[Zebra]

On different note I started a poll on whether we should go to F-1/Montreal since Cleveland has been cancelled.

Charles Finelli

[Phil Creighton]

Charles
We did not bypass fastrack - the proposal is currently there in the form that the CRB has currently posted. The BOD insisted that this be posted on the SCCA Forum and on this forum to get speedy input. As I understand it, we are waiting for the advisory committee and CRB's opnion before we (the BOD) make our decision.
The BOD members that objected to the original technical bulletin process were OK with a shorter member input period provided it got good coverage - after all how many people would have seen and reacted to the Fastrack Bulletin alone. I think we hit most of the FC community by doing it this way.
Phil

[Steve Demeter]

Phil.
The way I read Fastrack, the CRB has recommended it to the BOD to be effective 3-1-08.

I thought that the CRB was supoposed to get input from the community prior to recommending approval, particularly on shuc a controversial item.

Steve Demeter

[DaveW]

Steve,

I agree 100%. That it was in Fastrack with almost no time to respond was, IMO, a very poorly thought out thing to do.

Thank (name your thankee) it was posted here. Hopefully, the reaction it got here will eliminate this sort of knee-jerk rule making, and make the process more open to the membership.

[Mark H]

Wow.. all this bad mouthing Élan/ Van Diemen, When they are the only major mfg. supporting FC? The monopoly with the Zetec engine should be for classes like FM or FE, Élan isn't trying to bring in a 3rd engine just build an alternative to the ONLY game in town?
I know why some are opposed to ANYTHING that Élan does, all I have had from Élan is great advise and concern that I was being taken care of? (But Primus still rules!)
Where was all this uproar when the tried and true Pinto was being made obsolete with a complete make-over, ala FF/ QS aluminum cylinder head? Now all EPP wants to do is bolt on a new unported, inlet manifold, injectors and ECM w/restrictor.... OH forbid, a non QS stock Ford engine!!!!! so they can deliver a Van Diemen race ready with an engine? In fact why can't I go buy a create Zetec, build it up within the current rules (no stupid seals) and go racing?

The price of a Zetec package,stock block, unported head and mostly unmodified parts IS apx 10K more than an all out racing Pinto bottom end,( HARD TO FIND NOW right? ) HAND ported cyl. head, trick Weber and high dollar "stock cam shaft"??????Now why is that??? Maybe lack of competition in the market place??? Sure now I'll never get any deals from the guys I'm referring to, but then again I won't be buying any new Alum. heads soon either....Oh yeah they have that market cornered too, or at least had the rule pushed through to get new business from otherwise happy iron head owners?!( AND YES BUTCH THAT ONE WAS SLID BY SO FAST IT TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO FINISH THE FIRST ONE T0 RACE!! )
If this were a spec class like FM or the old FF2000 (where the current Zetec came from) well ok, but last I heard this was an open class.....well let it be open, within the 2L Ford specs.. OH WELL... who cares the Alum. head Pinto will make the Zetec 2nd tear by mid season anyhow?

Sorry... I was going to spread this out over 5 consecutive posts but that would be unoriginal??

[Stan Clayton]

In fact why can't I go buy a create Zetec, build it up within the current rules (no stupid seals) and go racing?

You can. SCCA does not require seals or that the engine by build by any particular shop. You can build it at home from a junkyard engine if you like, so long as the internals are stock and you use the small number of required pieces as called out in the GCR (flywheel and several specified intake system pieces). Stan

[Wren]

The monopoly with the Zetec engine should be for classes like FM or FE, Élan isn't trying to bring in a 3rd engine just build an alternative to the ONLY game in town?

Elan was trying to become the only game in town. Anyone who wanted to be competitive in a zetec would have needed to purchase their intake and ECU if this had gone forward as originally proposed.

[S Lathrop]

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[Art Smith]

did the Board meet? if so, why hasn't the community heard anything??

Art
artesmith@earthlink.net

ps: organizationally, who does the Corporate Counsel report to; the Board or National office???

[cooleyjb]

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[DaveW]

did the Board meet? if so, why hasn't the community heard anything??

Art
artesmith@earthlink.net

ps: organizationally, who does the Corporate Counsel report to; the Board or National office???

Supposedly the decision will be rendered 3/3.

[Brian.Novak]

Wow.. all this bad mouthing Élan/ Van Diemen, When they are the only major mfg. supporting FC?

Piper begs to differ!! As I have said in a couple PR releases before, Piper is fully committed to FC and supplying parts, cars, and information to their owners. Elan might be the biggest name in the game but that doesn't mean Piper is any less committed to the class/series.

[NPalacioM3]

So when will we know the outcome of the BoD meeting?

[R. Pare]

Sometime tomorrow - the BoD phone conference is tonight, I believe.

[Matt M.]

So when will we know the outcome of the BoD meeting?

And Hey - while you wait!

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27058

[DaveW]

EPP intake disallowed! Send your THANK YOU" emails to the BOD, etc.!

[John LaRue]

Yes, thank you very much for the effort. Good work. John

[Phil Picard]

Actually , it would be very good form for all of us to send a thanks e-mail to those we all contacted.

[jim morgan]

On the scca site you can mass mail the entire bod with one entry

[John Nesbitt]

On the scca site you can mass mail the entire bod with one entry

If you send an email to bod@scca.com, it goes to every member. Similarly, you can reach the entire CRB at crb@scca.com.

[Chas Shaffer]

If you send an email to bod@scca.com, it goes to every member. Similarly, you can reach the entire CRB at crb@scca.com.

There have been several posts about thanking the BoD and I agree whole heartedly however I do wonder what role the CRB played. We obviously know how the BoD voted but does anyone know officially what recommendation the CRB made?

[Shep]

I guess I'll be the one who askes the stupid question...

How do we know how the BOD voted??

I trust that the intake was voted down because Dave W informed us that it was, but where has this vote been documented/publicized?

[Phil Creighton]

I am not sure that I should be posting before the minutes are published but its no secret now that the vote was unanimous to turn down the modified CRB proposal which involved a different restricter plate.

The exact wording will be published in Fastrack in the meeting minutes - suffice it to say that the member input on this subject was the highest on any subject to come before the BOD. It was also not a form letter campaign as we so often see generated by Internet Web Postings. I think all the Board had their constituents in mind in their vote It was certainly made easier by Sandy Shamlian at Quicksilver agreeing to sell the QSRE Intake to allcomers including Elan for the good of the class.

In spite of the rumours, I think all the principals including David Bowes at Elan, Sandy Shamlian at Quicksilver, the CRB, Advisory Committee and BOD worked hard and professionally to try to resolve this issue since January, for the good of FC.

Once we have time to catch our breath we will certainly do a 'debrief' to see how it got so far along in spite of the warning signals that were generated along the way.

Phil Creighton