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    Default helping find some FV/FSV history

    Hi guys,
    I am hoping to help an ex-racers daughter find some info/articles/pictures for her Dad. She had posted in the FV USA Facebook group, and I am trying here as well. Does anyone recognize the name/car or know what direction to go in?


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    Hello, I have a kinda odd request or if someone can point me in the right direction. My father used to race formula vee and super vee in the 70’s. He’s originally from the Williamsport pa area but I remember stories specifically racing at walkins glen and in Ohio. ( He stop racing around the time my oldest brother was born in the mid 70’s i believe). He said the guy who bought his vee was from Maryland or Virginia.
    He’s carried this old photo of one of his cars in his wallet ever since. I’d love to track down maybe some photos or clippings from these days for him. Is there a data base, historian or a direction someone can point me in? I could get some more info from him. I’m currently in Germany ans he’s stateside so it might take a day or two with our schedules. His name is James “jim” Jimmy” Morris
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    No clue except that the pic looks to me definitely to be an early (pre 1975 FSV) note the lack of wings. Any idea as to the make of the car in the pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Demeter View Post
    No clue except that the pic looks to me definitely to be an early (pre 1975 FSV) note the lack of wings. Any idea as to the make of the car in the pic?
    Definitely agree it's an early car.... not sure of the make yet. She doesn't know much about it other than that picture, unfortunately.
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    a Tui

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    I think you are on to something. Check the TUI web site.

    https://www.formulasupervee.com/tui.html

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    Hi Matt,

    When you first posted this question / image I too thought it was a Tui BH3 for a minute but after checking into it more I decided it wasn't. Back in the late 80's I co-owned a '73 BH3 Tui and autocrossed it extensively for several years. It was a monocoque chassis (rear bulkhead to front bulkhead) and the engine was a stressed member. Only the nose, small tail cover, and L/R cylinder head cooling scoops were fiberglass (very distinguishable/unique to all Tui's.) Hard to tell from your old image, but the car looks like it has a frame and fiberglass body sections (not fitting well.) The body lines are similar but nothing matches any images of my old Tui. I can scan and email you some images if needed.

    Good luck with your search and I hope everyone is heathy and doing well at Lycoming.

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    Default Club/Region Historian

    I suggest you check with the region historians if available. At minimum there should be race results of many races in period.
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    Default I Think It Is....

    A Crossle 24F. I believe that it was their only dedicated Super Vee (as opposed to an adaptation of a FF). I also think they made barely a handful of them (4-5?). I worked on one of those back in the 80's.

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    I have a longtime friend who ran what we thought was the only Crossle S/V, in 1982. I believe it was called a 35V and was based on a 34F Formula Ford.

    The car per the thread looks like a Tui to me, but the nose looks a little too flat and long — so am not certain enough to claim that.
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    Default Source for SCCA Info

    The following link to IMRRC (International Motor Racing Research Center) may provide a way to find info on a specific driver and/or car. They do have literally tons of SCCA archives including some regional newsletters. They also have publications like Autoweek/Competition Press where they might find a "For Sale" ad, with the father's name as the search term, to reveal info on the car.

    https://www.racingarchives.org/the-c...rica-archives/

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    Default Fsv

    Because of the rounded side panels it reminds me of a Beach FSV....

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    could it be a Winkleman? they had that fat look

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    So digging this back up for his daughter today, I did stumble across this pics from Revs Institute of the car. It has her dads name (Jim Morris), and a co-driver named Al Hennings (who is driving, per the helmet).
    I am kinda still leaning towards a Leda Tui, like you guys mentioned, due to the round sides.... does this help with possibly tracking it down?

    https://library.revsinstitute.org/fo...ns-glen/595241

    https://library.revsinstitute.org/sc...ns-glen/590292


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    Update already:
    it is a Celi out of Belgium.

    I found results for Al here.
    https://www.oldracingcars.com/formul...on-ledges/may/

    And compared the nose (notice the angled flats at the tip) to these to confirm... and also zoom at the logo on the nose. Hard to see, but once you know what the Celi sticker looks like, you can make it out.
    https://www.formulasupervee.com/celi.html

    Now the question-
    Does anyone know where there is a Celi in the US?
    There cannot be many of them.
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