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What a disaster.
A friend sent me an X link to a good view of the hit. Obviously massive.
Hard to find through all the internet bs, but bottom line: FP1&2 are a complete loss. FP3 is still on for tonight, as scheduled at 11:25pm EST?
Kicking ALL the paying fans out of the stands and viewing areas before FP2 because the security staff shift ended ?!?!
Now thats the way to build a brand LOL LOL
clown show
Well I guess that means Sebring is still too rough for F1 also.
Maybe LV can just put a large cone on top of the manhole cover. :cone:
Maybe two opposing tire walls and turn it into a chicane
Maybe everyone in LV will be so drunk, no one will notice
Maybe the Officials will ignore it and think of their manhole bump the same as the 'hump' everyone steers clear of on the short Casino straight that leads towards the downhill / under the ramp / extreme slow left hander 180 Portier at Monaco
At this rate, they NEED security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus7
What a bloody embarrassment. A friend’s been texting all the way through.
Here in our StudioBus, we get no F1. Blessings counted. And today’s sunrise is great.
We must focus on the positives. It may suck, but at least it’s both expensive AND exhausting.
Actually it was a water valve cover. About 6 inches in diameter.Quote:
Originally Posted by EYERACE
Don't know of they missed it, didn't weld it or what. But they pulled them all and filled with asphalt.
I'd be surprised if they don't break a valve/pipe causing a water leak on track!
Someone's going to have fun getting all that asphalt out of the holes after the race.
I thought it was the concrete around the cover that failed, otherwise they would have just welded them all down.
If you want to look further into the ridiculous crap that is F1, Ferrari gets multiple grid place penalties due to having to swap out the car, because, you know, we have rules.
One of these days they'll have to build a tester to go over the track to look for problems like this - maybe a jet engine blowing past a venturi to generate enough suction. It happens too often to not have a good handle on it.
My DVR only allows me to set extended time for 2 hours after the recording is scheduled to end.
Won't be enough for this BS event.
Perhaps we will be able to watch it live at the usual 8ish time we are used to watching F1 on Sunday morning.
.:):o;):confused::p
i think Liberty needs to get Netflix to do a show on how the Ferrari (and Alpine) mechanics got the cars built for FP2. That has got to be a textbook case on how to hustle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner
ChrisZ
That is a very good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner
They did weld the covers, but this would be the first time they have seen the cover frame dislodge. I can imagine that the paving contract called for new cover frames to be used to correct the height of the cover. In normal applications there would not be any concern about lifting forces acting on the cover/frame. Does anyone know if the cover extensions have a mechanical connection to the old cover frame?
At least they were prepared for the unknown after it happened.
Brian
If you are paving for a specific event, why not just pave over them and fix them after the event?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardingfv32
My wife usually records the next 3 or 4 hours of whatever is on the schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by problemchild
Did someone put SCCA in charge?
I would not be surprised if this it is not standard procedure on all paving jobs. They are not going to mess with the paving machine settings every time it arrives at a cover in the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerBudgetRacing
Brian
That was welded!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by stonebridge20
JB WeldQuote:
Originally Posted by EricP
So the frame failed. Normally covers/frames like this are cast iron. Maybe welding caused it to crack. Cast iron is not easy to weld properly.
Brian
Anybody welded Chinese cast iron successfully?
Sometimes. Mostly, the extensions slip on and then paving is completed. I worked for NYTel(Verizon when I retired) and our 300 pound covers got welded for Presidential visits. I doubt a telco manhole cover could get sucked up, but hey, I don't know the level of suction an F1 car has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardingfv32
That little water valve cover didn't weigh much of anything. Mostly those little covers have a locking mechanism.
IMHO, I think that one cover was missed. Isn't the problem cover on the part of "The Strip" used for the track? As such, the flow of traffic there is non-stop 24-7-365. Easy mistake to make given how busy that area is.
Agreed and true but look closely at that pic. It LOOKS like the frame is still there and the inside came out. Doesn’t look welded even poorly. Looks missed to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardingfv32
Although hard to tell… any case, this really sucks and feels embarrassing.
Another view… hard to say…
This same type of thing happened at Pocono in the 80's at an RCCA Race. The track we were running used T3 and T4 of the 3/4 oval. They'd take two sections of guardrail out of the back straight where we'd enter the oval. They would put a steel "Plug" into the hole in the asphalt where the one guardrail post came out of.
I can't remember the guy's name that came in and bottomed out on the plug and flipped it up enough to tear the floor and his heals out of the car. It was pretty gruesome.
Sainz got lucky.
The brass strap in the middle is a clamping device that gets tightened by the bolt going thru itQuote:
Originally Posted by EricP
I remember the posts for the pit rail which were removed for road races. The holes were covered with well plugs which used a central screw to expand the two halves of the plug to grip the pipe in the ground. Done properly they worked fairly well. Done improperly .....Quote:
Originally Posted by stonebridge20
Fortunately the FV and FF of the day didn't have the same downforce to suck them out of the ground.
Some of those removable posts are still used by the current pit rail near the Gasoline Alley road (where the south end of the 3/4 oval came into the Main Straight). They are static now and never removed. I saw them during a track review a couple of years ago and they brought back memories (none as gruesome as yours, fortunately).
Now there's a Class Action suit over the LV F1 problems...........I'll guess the Lawyers bringing the suit will use their profits to buy an even bigger billboard
Pretty sure the law is “Billboards in Las Vegas *must* be larger than lesser cities, not to exceed a football field without the sidelines.”
A friend texted the following from a news source unknown to me…
”A local Las Vegas law firm has filed a class action lawsuit against the Las Vegas Grand Prix over the practice cancellation and delays that occurred on Thursday night.
Fans with one-day tickets were offered a $200 voucher for the official Las Vegas Grand Prix store as compensation, while there was none publicly provided to those who are on three-day passes.
[They're] seeking damages “on behalf of the 35,000 people who purchased tickets” and didn’t get to see practice take place.”
“Wow” is all I got right now…
A $30,000 claim per person for the "mental anguish" of missing out on an hour of a sporting event tells you everything you need to know about our country's ****ed up legal system...Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
this is why we can't have nice things
edit: I didnt type "****ed", that was Apexspeed toning me down LOL
Ian, it said it was on behalf of 35,000 people — no dollar mention beyond a $200 credit per, unless you’ve read something beyond my post.
So far as our legal system, you nailed it.
In regarding the asterisks, I’ve noted that they don’t kick in with “buck” or “shin” or “ash.” ;-)
I'd be surprised of the tickets do not have a limitation of liability on them.
If they don't there is a lawyer somewhere looking for a malpractice defense attorney because the damages could be actual!
That said, the damages are to the events public perception.
Think I read all damages are paid in Caesar’s Palace tokens, redeemable starting the day they tear it down.
At least I’m reasonably sure that’s what I read. ;-)
Seriously, imagine this being your first if not only GP of your life. Ticket prices, as high as they are, don’t touch airfare, lodging, rental car, time off work, hankies, stars-and-stripes onesies, post-race therapy, the lot.
So very glad I don’t get to watch, any first-timer would have to focus on complex knitting to fully recover. (LOL)
The scuff of the concrete cone shows clearly the thing extended too high.. The lid was not sucked up it was impacted numerous times until it got pried off.Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
Interesting how the very late start times with it's associated low temperatures and the very smooth street grade asphalt surface made for a very good race. Very few contacts with the with the walls. As was stated during the broadcast, the race had all the attributes of a rain event.
Brian
yup, very clearly said "in excess of $30,000 per person"Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
will try to find and post it
found it: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/l...ions/10548631/
Thanks for the followup, Ian.
Cops removing fans, great look!
The total sought is $1.05 BILLION. Let that sink in a second. But fans definitely have more coming than a $200 gift voucher, just so the LVGP memory lives on in branded jackets or whatever!
So Yeah, after years of training in the “lower” formulae, ambulance chasers have finally reached F1. :mad:
I hope the whole Vegas GP ship goes down before our international reputation takes on *any* more water.
Well, everything I hear the drivers actually enjoyed it and the attendees did too.Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
They got lots of selfies ;)
We all knew there would be some hiccups (grandstands, track damage).
How many street circuits go off without a hitch the first time?
So when a session is red flagged for weather or a crash, how do they compensate fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus7
Heck, there are some events that almost always have bad weather.
Oh, the Selfie record just went off to Guinness for inclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerBudgetRacing
For sure on new venues… but a difference here is a $300 ticket shouldn’t triple to help pay for gawdiness.
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Lotus7
Good luck with that claim
I hope you read the fine print on the back of your ticket. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
Actually, I believe that gaudiness was a critical, necessary part of the concept. The Vegas F1 race was sport, married to spectacle, married to gambling. All of which becomes pure content gold. (See also: Drive to Survive.)
The truth is that hard-core open-wheel fans, such as the Apexspeed community, have become peripheral to the F1 business, which is closer to show business than to pure sport. (See also: content creation.)
All that said, and ignoring a few teething problems, I gather that the race itself was one of the best of the year.
My main concern is that when the selfie crowd gets bored with F1, 3 races in the USA won't be justified. Since F1's target audience (Eurotrash and Eurotrash wannabees with $$$$) would much rather "be seen" in Miami or Vegas than deal with a dusty track in TX, the only real race at a real track will be lost. Without the huge economic impact payments from the state of TX, I don't see how COTA survives.
Welcome to the U.S. where there are lawyers on every street corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by EYERACE
Epic trolling by Domino's UK on X/Twitter.
https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/att...d=109211&stc=1
If the concept was to embarrass who we are to the rest of the world, it was indeed a smashing success.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Nesbitt
Some things are more important than gold. Water, for instance, and in the end the entire affair will just help dry up Mead and Powell a little bit faster so California can’t grow our food. And that’s not an opinion.
The good news is the city has embraced the issue, but one look at Mead shows it’s way too late. Only a giant amount of Spring rain slowed this bullet.
And Thanks for the correction on my misspell of “gaudiness,” I’m reviled so much by the concept I can’t even spell it. ;-)
You clearly are not in touch with what is popular in the rest if the world. Neither am I. But I do know it's not what I think it should be. American celebrities', the music world, hip hop, instagram etc. are sought after everywhere. It's about the only thing we export these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
The Colorado does not feed the central valley where 90%+ of the food is grown. That all comes from the north and the mountains surrounding the central valley.Quote:
Originally Posted by E1pix
Not saying your wrong about the impact. But Vegas itself needs it to survive.
Appreciate that, and I should have specified “winter crops” in the south that largely grow nowhere else in winter.
I think more than three quarters (!) of the River is specifically used for those, largely for grain (alfalfa?) to feed cattle.
Vegas has become adept at water storage, finally, and getting it everywhere they can. At one point they were trying to drain the Badwater aquifer under Death Valley over a hundred miles away, though thankfully that failed to my recollection.
We all value different facilities differently but my reaction to COTA struggling is "who cares?" An isolated dusty track that runs only a few club-type races per year at inflated costs. Perhaps it would be better for club racers if they were struggling for survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by cory mcleod
Sorry but I cannot relate COTA to our iconic facilities like Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Mosport, etc. Disregarding any travel or logistical factors I would much prefer to race at Mid-Ohio than COTA.
Much like NASCAR peaked a decade ago, F1 is booming right now ..... but certainly not sustainable. They should be scooping up Michaels $800 million dollar buy-in ASAP. In a few years, that buy-in number may be higher, but it can also be a whole lot smaller. The trends of our modern generations rarely last for years, much less decades.
And the central valley really doesn't grow much "food" in terms of vegetables. They grow almonds, pistachios, and table grapes because they figured out that the state can't cut the water off in dry years for perennial crops.
If they actually grew "food" there, the price you pay at the grocery store would plummet. The Central Valley is 20x the size of all the vegetable growing areas in the west combined. Everybody in the US could eat fresh healthy food at a fraction of the current price.
Most of what we consider "food" is grown around Ventura, Santa Maria, Salinas, between the Salton Sea and Mexicali, Blythe, and between Goodyear and Tuscon AZ.
I predict that's going to change. Right now Ag uses 80% of available water to support 2.5% of state GDP.
Like the old joke.....Quote:
Originally Posted by CheckeredFlag
What do you call a million lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start.
I don't think it'll change. They all supplement local supplies with state water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner
What would we do with all the water? Build more homes?
2.5% is also reflective of food actually being cheap as well big revenues in tech industries.
While we continue to grow more food than ever the percentage of GDP declines. In the late 1990's is was 10% of GDP.
At the same time California has always been the #1 in the nation - even at 2.5% GDP.
So - statistics... ;)
California can also grow 3 crop rotations a year.
We had farms in Idaho and you grew 1 (spuds, corn, etc) plus winter wheat.
It's the mild weather.