Not referring to a short list or for that matter any list of legal engines, just saying the frequency is too often for our taste lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by cory mcleod
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Not referring to a short list or for that matter any list of legal engines, just saying the frequency is too often for our taste lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by cory mcleod
Guys, relax, the CRB really does have a handle on this. It will be ok.
On another note, the latest Kawasaki engines are 636cc and thus are NOT LEGAL or allowed at all. If someone wants to use a sub 600cc Kawasaki I am sure that the CRB can do it in the spec line.
Right now, to my knowledge based on MANY EMAILS, no one has told me that they are building a car with a Kawasaki engine.
My understanding is that the new rules will be posted in the next Fastrack.
Calmness is the order of the day.
My suggestion is that we set a goal of adding 20 competitors to the class in 2014.
Thanks Jay,
The Kaw spoken about is a pre 2012 so its a 599cc.
Kawasaki produced the 636cc engine from model years 2002 to 2006. It is also now available in a new 636cc bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by allof6
These engines are not legal for the class.
Jay is correct. Up to '06 you need to find a Kawasaki 600RR which is the 599cc version, but they were made in limited numbers for racing classes requiring 599cc displacement. In '07 to '12 they dropped the 636 and only made 599cc bikes. Starting in '13 the 636cc engine has been reintroduced.
Chris is also correct. The 600cc Kawasaki was a homologated race bike. It is not suitable for the new class.Quote:
Originally Posted by lancer360
Thank you Guys! I appreciate the input but I am not going to use this thread or forum to debate the legality of an engine for this class. (don't want another FB situation). There is a ton of misinformation out.
Looking forward to 2014
No problem. Under the original regional rules the 599cc Kawi was legal as long as it was a road going version of the bike which it was from '07 to '12. We will have to wait for the November Fasttrack to see what the initial ruleset will say. Looking at the published dyno numbers from the various engines (Honda, Kawi, Yamaha, Suzuki) from '05 to current shows no real big differences between the various makes. I don't see an issue with getting any of those engines added to the rule set if the BOD decides to do spec line engines in the rules. I guess we will find out in a few weeks.
:thumbsup:
Having to do it all over again - (1st)Kawi then (2nd)AMW then (3rd)494 non-Rave then (4th)493 . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by cory mcleod
I was getting ready to do it all over again for the (5th)593 when I traded the DareDevil for the EMod Jeep.
Anybody been in contact with Yamaha? They sell KT100S crate motors to the kart shops as well as the FJ motors that the legend car guys are using.
I imagine it's probably a minimum number sold requirement before they'll do that and clearly those two engines have many, many more users than all SCCA classes combined. Just thinking out loud.
Not sure if anyone has contacted Yamaha. The Yamaha packing makes it tougher to fit in a F600 chassis, especially since the transmission output shaft is a fair bit higher than the Suzuki. This can give trouble trying to get the geometry correct with the rear axle if you are doing direct drive. Would be interested in seeing some solutions if/when someone decides to tackle the project of building one into a car.
George Bugg tried it but he replaced it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lancer360
George replaced his mainly due to geometry issues trying to package it in a Novakar chassis with direct drive. It is a good engine, but it might take a car designed from scratch around it's geometry to get it to work.
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Originally Posted by lancer360
After all of George's rotten luck I will be rooting for him to do well at the series finale at the ARRC.
Jim
Clint,Quote:
Originally Posted by clint
That makes sense. For me, 3 engine upgrades in 18 years just seems like the cost of racing, not "suffering", but the FV guys would probably think that's waaaay too often.
Now that we're one big happy family again, I hope the final MC rules provide the stability you are looking for. I'm concerned that the currently written rules, or the same rules with a 2-year delay on new engines, would create the need to upgrade much more often. We'll see how it's addressed when the new rules are published.
Cory