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As an outsider looking in it would be great if these two or three disparate groups came together maybe once a year. Why not have separate races for each group? Each series would seem to attract strong enough support for separate races so getting them all in one place would be great. You could even turn into a mini Formula F(ord) Festival.
How many SCCA races have you been to? I am not a fan of SCCA, but your comments are completely wrong in my experience. Some events, just like in vintage and other non-SCCA organized events, are poorly attended, but I have seen some of the very best FF racing ever at SCCA events in the last 15 months. I think my standards are pretty high as I attend FRP events, but Homestead, Sebring, Road Atlanta, VIR events have been outstanding. Last years, FF race at the Runoffs may have been one of the best Runoff races ever. The ARRC race was pretty good too, as are most events with RCFFS presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott fairchild
I would much rather see many of these SCCA racers at FRP events, but clearly SCCA is still having some very good FF events. That is undeniable.
Note: I did edit my comment as some wanted to apply a different context than intended.
Greg,Quote:
Originally Posted by problemchild
I told you that vintage FF would be a great place for you provide support services and then you go and insult the group???
FYI Vintage FF events get an average of 40 cars/event, times are close to SCCA times and on treaded tires. Some of the best racing I have seen in 20 years.
You're a smart guy, wouldn't you want business from a group of about 100 racers with about 3x the average income of SCCA members?
Greg,Quote:
Originally Posted by problemchild
My wife and I used to spectate SCCA events a few times a year, we haven't been in a few years due to kids and low car counts in the classes I'm interested in. Hard to justify a weekend trip to watch 1 or 2 fast drivers and a handful of field fillers make laps.
As for the health of the class, here is a comparison of entries for VIR and Summit majors for FF: 12 and 6 respectively. Vintage within a month at the same 2 tracks 47 and 50. Others can contribute RCFFS and FRP numbers, both of which have great competition. I'm not trying to be hostile (I hope it's not coming across that way), just logical and objective.
One sour taste, for me, is that many of the old SCCA guard don't give vintage racing the credibility it has earned from a participation, cost, camaraderie, and competition perspective. A 40 year old car on treads should not have lap times that come close to better developed cars on slicks, unless...
Good luck this year,
Scott
I was not insulting anybody. I was responding to a cheap shot and was very careful not to reply with one. My point was that there are some events in each "category" that are poorly attended, and to pick out a few as indicative of overall health of a "category" is unfair. The Blackhawk Majors event is another example of a poorly attended event that had shots taken.The situation at Summit Point, in particular, has historical context which has much more to do with local organizers. Other groups can be thankful for the growth they benefited from due to that local activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BorkRacing
At this point, I hate some people in SCCA with monstrous passion, but you cannot deny that they still have outstanding FF races at numerous events during each season. I say that without judging any other group or category, never mind insulting them.
I wish that more people would "jump ship" but that is not happening.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water.
Learned something new; if I respond by quoting a post and the original post then gets edited, the edited version appears in my post:confused:
That is not good, changes context of everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott fairchild
The problem with the Duffus's is they run those gross Honda engines..... (Get ready for a Honda-Nazi to lose their **** and make a "The Honda is so reliable!!!" statement).
Just kidding Love ya Chris, the real Royale Racer!
I see a ban coming...LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Cass Racing
Really ?