Any one know anything about Ralf Firman building a car for FC? In the latest issue of Race Car Engineering Ralf Firman is interviewed and mentions a version of his new FB car may be created to accommodate the FC rules.
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Any one know anything about Ralf Firman building a car for FC? In the latest issue of Race Car Engineering Ralf Firman is interviewed and mentions a version of his new FB car may be created to accommodate the FC rules.
All I have seen is what is on their website
http://www.rfrcars.com/
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Originally Posted by Wren
Via the above link, I made my way to the gallery for the noted car. Does anyone know the dimension of the newest car? Specifically, the wheelbase. To me, the wheelbase in the renderings looks significantly shorter than the current generation FC/FF2000.
Thanks Wren. Looks like that may be the way to go.
First one ready in Feb. or March goes to Niki C.:checkered:
Expect to see 5 or 6 more coming to the US as fast as they can be built. That was the word from PRI.
And it won't be the only new chassis in the F2000ChampionshipSeries for 2010... There could easily be 7 different makes competing in the Series this season.
Got to love it.
Has the RFR F2000 debuted yet?
A nice looking car! Would any one here have access to more pictures of the car?
Russ McB wrote: Has the RFR F2000 debuted yet?
Check out the entry list for FC at the 2010 Runoffs.
I was waiting to get permission to show these but since one is already up on the website guess it's now okay.
This is no way a guarantee that this is how the car will look at the runoffs however.
Thats a nice splitter in pic 2
That nose could probably start a thread that will rival the Radon discussion!
I already stated that his may or may not be how the car will look at the runoffs.
I only posted these because a really good photo of the car already exists on the RFR website (that is the same as one of the photos I posted)
I wouldn't try to read too much into the photos.
But the new car looks exciting doesn't it?
Thomas you cant take it off as there would be no front floor .Your a dealer so what is the scoop on that floor\spliter combo pack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Copeland
Can't tell you much about anything right now. But I guess there will be plenty to see in real life next week when the car shows up at Road America.
I believe there will be contingent of RFR people there (but that's no secret...including a few of us from the West Coast). All I can say for now.
It showed up this morning in an air freight crate and was delivered to Niki's trailer. It looked pretty much like the photos above with the raised nose. That by itself doesn't make it illegal. Paddock talk is that being done like that can be specifically legal.
Most definitely sweet looking.
If that is not sexy enough to appeal to the youngsters out there, nothing is.
Doesn't the floor have to attach to the front bulkhead with less than a 1 inch vertical deviation? I can't tell from the photos where the bulkhead is on the RFR, but I would guess that would be the first question asked.
edit: Looks like maybe the front bulkhead extends down to the "floor."
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Originally Posted by Thomas Copeland
It will look different. It will have a Pouredfoundations decal on it. ;)
she looks badass!!!!
The youngsters all want a sequential shifter. They are afraid of a good 'ole H-pattern box. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
They can learn.
Probably an I Phone app available to practice is available.
i dunno, the engine cover reminds me of an old Cooper
The picture below is of the carbon tub version of the car.....also known as a Dallara F308. :ha:
It may look like the Dallara but has it been designed using the same processess used by Dallara? (aerodynamically speaking)
I'm pretty sure that Dallara has their own wind tunnel(?). On the other hand, the F3 rules require spec airfoil sections. The Firman F1000 car is provided with spec F3 airfoils as far as I know. Don't know if this is the case with the new Firman FC, although it appears likely based upon these initial pics.
Yes, Dallara has their own wind tunnel facility. Since their cars are designed in their own facility, it shows that atleast their cars are aerodynamically sound.
What is the case with the new RFR? Has the aerodynamics of the car gone through any legit process (wind tunnel / CFD) or is it just the result of some concept sketches?
I have no idea. Perhaps some of the folks currently at the Runoffs will be able to tell us more.Quote:
Originally Posted by asw
Based on my eyeball measurements, it looks a lot like the Firman FB car with a separate frame leading forward to meet the stressed pan rule. I am not sure if that is completely true, but to the eye they are very closely related.
Did it arrive in a crate as a pallet of parts or as a runner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wren
I would call it driveable. There was some disassembly to make it fit in a crate but it was at least recognizable as a car.
This is a works car, not a customer car. I am sure it is tested and developed and hand-made to be as good as it gets.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
It may not be illegal per the 2010 rules, but the proposed rules "clarification" does not allow a raised nose, correct? Looks fantastic though. I hope all the work wasnt in vain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt King
All RFR rollers come on pallet fully assemblied (no engine and with the nose and wings taken off for shipping).
The Firman dealers in the USA can also provide turn-key cars for their customers. Engine installation and setup for both F1000 and F2000 cars.
We have shipped in two cars like this (fully assemblied with engine and near race ready condition, one for a customer) but don't plan on doing any more (too many importation headaches). It's much better for the customer and from a customer support standpoint to have all this work done here at our shops and not at the factory.
Doesn't the engine get considered as hazardous cargo? In 2008 I was involved in shipping a formula car to England and to ease the shipping process we sent the motor over early and then left it in England after the competition. When queried as to the contents we declared it as a "wheelchair".:p Another team (with a carbon tub) declared theirs a "canoe".
Is it safe to assume that since it is competing at the runoffs that it has passed all the initial hurdles and now we just wait for the protests:confused:
I don't know that it is competing. I haven't seen it turn a wheel yet.
look at RFR CARS on facebook. Has some more pics of the car at the runoffs
I couldn't get anyone at RA to post any pictures, so I flew up this morning and took my own. Thanks to the great guys at Arms Up who let me shoot while they prepped the car for an outing at Blackhawk.
Niki's car got held up for a week in customs, and got to RA too late to be readied for the Runons.
OBTW, i don't think the exhaust pipe is the final edition.
For those questioning the intent of the rules, this appears to be a flat bottomed car... ;)
The floorpan may be constructed in more than one section. For its entire length, the floorpan shall consist of substantially flat panel(s) in plane(s) approximately parallel to the ground plane (not counting chassis “rake”). In
addition, “stepped” or sloped floorpans ahead of the dash hoop are permitted, however, the maximum vertical distance from the point of attachment to the base of the main hoop to the point of attachment at the front bulkhead shall be 25.4mm (1 inch).
This is more then 25.4 mm...prob built before the new rule?
Ah So Grasshopper, you appear confused.
Did not you see the two steel posts at the front that are part of the steel tubing front bulkhead?
You are mistaking the bottom of the car with something the driver might rest his heals upon. Not always so.
;)
did anybody notice the 90 degree streering rack?
no fooling you...your right to hell with "intent" lol
"obviously" legal...and sick
Has it raced yet? Any opinions on how fast it is compared to the Van Diemens and Citations?
It seems the starter is on the correct side of the engine as well.....
In specific reply on the RFR :
In the FF/FC rules, the issue at hand is not a "raised nose" per se, but the position of the floor pan, how it is attached, and what it is attached to. The RFR, while maybe a bit near the "fringe" of the rules, obeys the floorpan rules word for word and history - vertical height variation, attached to the frame rails and the bottom of the front bulkhead on 6" centers. It also has 3 predecessors - the SE3 EuroSwift, the BDR, and the Stohr FF , with the only " real" difference in execution being the these older cars used the "scoop" under the nose to feed the radiators. The RFR does "feed" the radiator inlet openings, but by indirect means.
Great looking car. Is it and illusion, or is the rear wing above the 90cm max height above the ground?
Bob,
the rear wing is taller than current de rigor. But no way to measure it up on stands, and Niki's was jacked up in the rear, so I didn't pull out my handy dandy metric tape measure.
Raised noses aren't new...
I couldn't find a picture of the Sauce in my files that wasn't upside down with the rollbar in the sod. :(
The Stohr: (maybe not quite the look that kids coming out of karts will gravitate towards. :rolleyes: )