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Old January 11th, 2011, 6:17 PM   #1
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Default LED Rain Light - Is flashing better?

I see that some of the LED rain lights can be installed with a flashing mode.

I can't remember seeing a flashing rain light in use. I'm curious to hear comments. Do most people (who have seen them) think they are better?

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Old January 11th, 2011, 6:21 PM   #2
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I think it will be more readily seen flashing.
But what does the GCR allow?
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Old January 11th, 2011, 6:37 PM   #3
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I would like the flashing mode better if it was more F1 like with a longer duration of being off and on instead of the strobe effect that I've seen that they have. I have seen the flashing mode used on track, but haven't seen it when visibility was bad due to rain/fog. Matter of preference.... Ehhh who cares, you don't have to see it when you're in the car anyway!
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Old January 11th, 2011, 6:44 PM   #4
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I find the flashing rainlight LED in a car in front of me a distraction.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 7:10 PM   #5
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At Road America last season I ran a practice session in the rain. My dad was watching from the stands on the outside of turn five and said that as I was cresting the hill at the entry to turn six that the entire cloud of spray was illuminating with the flash. Very bright and noticable! A distraction for the person following, maybe, but at least they can see you. And who knows maybe the distraction makes it tougher for the car behind to make a pass because they have one more thing to deal with while trying to over take you.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 7:25 PM   #6
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Not a huge concern, but the flashing draws far less power from your battery.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 7:34 PM   #7
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Most of the rain lights I've seen on cars around here are so far beyond useless I can't even believe they are allowed. I have an LED flasher on my car, but the joke is on me when I'm behind some guy with a 59 cent 2watt trailer light that can't be seen beyond 5 feet in a dry paddock!

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http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/big...asp?RecID=5603

My car is the one with the light you can see.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 8:31 PM   #8
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Good feedback. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure the GCR allows flashing rain lights. Also, I've read that the flashing frequency makes it appear the light is more on than off.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 8:39 PM   #9
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The problem with a flashing rain like is that you cant turn it on and 'brake check' someone behind you!
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #10
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A Flashing Rain Lamp IS legal in SCCA Per 08/'08 Fastrack
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:49 AM   #11
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It's not like the flashing LED's takes so much less energy to run than one that stays constant-on.
In a really heavy rain race, and I had my share, as I got closer to the leading vehicle, the light would appear through the tire spray. From a slight glow through the water until I'm on top of the car ahead and it's distinct. I used that variation to determine my closing speed and when to pull out to pass (or avoid a crash).
Flashing might work for me as a dash warning light.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 11:32 AM   #12
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My 2 cents is that the flashing function should be reserved as a warning to other drivers that the driver is slowing down either to pit or is on a warm up/ cool down lap. The fact the we are suppose to raise our arms to indicated this is a bit of a running joke for single seaters. The arm restraints are there to keep our arms in the cockpit in an event of the roll. But every drivers meeting I've been to the CoC want us to raise our arm in those situations. When you do they will come and tell you to adjust your arm restaints for your safety.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 12:58 PM   #13
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The flashing LEDS are great! Most any LED lamp is better in the fog or rain due to its narrow wavelength and more narrow focus. We sell a lot of the flashing ones, but the other LEDs we sell are just as bright, energy friendly, and don't burn out or get corroded sockets. BTW, The Afterburner can be wired for strobe or solid on. (or both if you use a brake lamp system.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 2:04 PM   #14
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The flashing LEDS are great! Most any LED lamp is better in the fog or rain due to its narrow wavelength and more narrow focus. We sell a lot of the flashing ones, but the other LEDs we sell are just as bright, energy friendly, and don't burn out or get corroded sockets. BTW, The Afterburner can be wired for strobe or solid on. (or both if you use a brake lamp system.
Jim, I noticed your web site had a pretty good selection and prices, so I placed an order. Thanks.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 3:18 PM   #15
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Check out this video, I was in the back of the pack, thankfully, and had a great view of the action. (no one was seriously hurt... except for a few vee's)

No question that blinking LED's are more visible in the rain.

If they are not legal, the rule makers should try driving in this... how many lights can you see in the video...

LED's should be mandatory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwIdU...eature=related
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Old January 12th, 2011, 7:17 PM   #16
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..... LED's should be mandatory.
Out here our Vintage club has manditory brake/rain lights on formula cars. There's just a MASSIVE difference in visibility with LED's versus conventional lights. Several of the guys have 'flashing' rains set up too. They certainly get your attention through the spray.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 8:45 PM   #17
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My Formula F1000 has a nice rear LED rain light. I am told quite brite from other drivers. I view the light as a safety item or addition to the car. Not only do I use the light when there is rain or inclement conditions, I use the light as a warning to other drivers when there might be an incident or accident ahead to forewarn the drivers that might be in back of me. My light is not flashing but constant and I don't worry about voltage or battery loss since the F1000's recharge the battery. I think it is a great idea to have these lights, flashing or not, installed on every formula car.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 9:07 PM   #18
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While perusing the GCR to see if it specifically mentions flashing rain lights (it does not, but says "any rain light" at least 15w can be used), I thought it was interesting that it states the rain light should be mounted as high as possible in the centerline of the car. I'll bet 95% of formula cars have them near the gearbox cover. It never dawned on me to put it someplace really high (like a rollover hoop).

Food for thought. Mine will probably still be down near the gearbox.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 9:16 PM   #19
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Ya beat me to it. I was the one who wrote to the CRB asking 2 questions...Could I have a flashing rain light...and could i turn it on whenever I wanted to. The answer was yes to both. This came as a result of running a morning warm up to burn some fuel. I was running at about 7/10ths and turned on my rain light to draw more attention to the fact that I was going slow. I was talked to by a grid worker who was asked to talk to me by a steward about my faulty brake light....on my Swift DB-1.
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