Pinto fuel pump

[lucky13]

What is the preferred in-tank fuel pump for a 2L Pinto engine? TIA for any help.

[Rick Kirchner]

in tank? That's not a common setup for a pinto. It's usually the standard mechanical pump or an electric one mounted in the same place.

The in-tank setup is a high pressure one for EFI on a Zetec.

[JHerscher]

What Rick said.

The Weber carb doesn't want the high pressure pump. The mechanical is enough to take care of its needs. Or Facet (or equivalent) pumps from Pegasus and others.

I personally run a mechanical pump. I have only been able to find the FoMoCo pump with the fittings pointing in the "right" orientation new from Pegasus and it is pretty high ~$185. Carter makes a good replacement for ~$55 and it is available from RockAuto and others. CARTER - M6564.

[Roland V. Johnson]

Call Ivey Engines 503-255-1123. they have a small inline mounted low pressure pump they recommend that works great.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

What he's not saying is what kind of car/tank setup.

If it's a 99+ VD Pinto will the mechanical pump pull out the top of the tank?

Or do you have to use the in tank pump and regulate/circulate it down?
Maybe a lower pressure in tank:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpn-5ca401-1

[JHerscher]

Low pressure electric pump needs to be primed. Inject 2psi air into the vent line and it will push the fuel out. Mechanical pump will self prime after cranking. When you spin it over to get oil pressure, that’s enough to get fuel to the carb.

VD RF01.

[lucky13]

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't realize that folks didn't run a Pinto-engined car with a fuel tower and in-cell pump. I'm actually trying to convert a BDA FAtl car to an in-tank pump and thought that maybe the specs on a Pinto application pump might give me something near the flow/pressure I need.
Matt

[Rick Kirchner]

Pretty sure that back in the day they ran the facet cylindrical pumps - that's what was on my FSV (1700 cc/8000 rpm). The tub even had the attachment points and tank outlet in the right places for this.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...s.asp?RecID=86

[lucky13]

Pretty sure that back in the day they ran the facet cylindrical pumps - that's what was on my FSV (1700 cc/8000 rpm). The tub even had the attachment points and tank outlet in the right places for this.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...s.asp?RecID=86

Yeah, I was hoping to convert to a tower with an in-tank pump but it seems that the only options for a pump are higher pressure pumps for fuel injection and using a lower pressure pump for the carbureted engine is not an option.

[Rick Kirchner]

just curious - why the desire to go to an in-tank pump? You gain a small amount of external packaging space at greater cost and a bunch of hassle designing a closure for the pump and wiring at the top of the tank, plus a more expensive pump and a much harder job in swapping it out.

[Garey Guzman]

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't realize that folks didn't run a Pinto-engined car with a fuel tower and in-cell pump. I'm actually trying to convert a BDA FAtl car to an in-tank pump and thought that maybe the specs on a Pinto application pump might give me something near the flow/pressure I need.
Matt

If this was my project, I'd call an engine builder with experience with my type of motor and follow his suggestions. There's always a solution, even if it's not the one we want.

[billtebbutt]

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't realize that folks didn't run a Pinto-engined car with a fuel tower and in-cell pump. I'm actually trying to convert a BDA FAtl car to an in-tank pump and thought that maybe the specs on a Pinto application pump might give me something near the flow/pressure I need.
Matt

Facet round pump, electrical, with an in-line regulator, for a BDA. IIRC, no more than 4psi should do it and not push the needles off the seat.

One thing we learned the hard way on my BDA-engined March 78B was that a really long straight at WOT can drain the fuel bowls! So at Mosport, for example, we'd occasionally "run out of fuel" before reaching the end of the back straight if I had a great exit out of 5 and was winding the pee out of the motor all the way to 8. Engine would stumble and slow down, pump would start to refill bowls, off we'd go to 8 and lift to brake - that was the only place it would happen. In the day, I am told what a lot of BDA guys did was fab up "bowl extensions" on the bottom of the carbs to deal with this. I always figured a slightly taller top gear would have solved the problem easily enough, at not much cost to lap times....

good times.

cheers,
BT

[lucky13]

just curious - why the desire to go to an in-tank pump? You gain a small amount of external packaging space at greater cost and a bunch of hassle designing a closure for the pump and wiring at the top of the tank, plus a more expensive pump and a much harder job in swapping it out.

Partly personal preference. The conversion is not a "bunch of hassle" for me, changing the pump is no more difficult, etc.. There are some things I don't care for in the original set up also.

[lucky13]

If this was my project, I'd call an engine builder with experience with my type of motor and follow his suggestions. There's always a solution, even if it's not the one we want.

I have information from the engine builder on what he's like to have at the carbs. That's why I'm searching for pumps used in other applications...so that I can compare specs.

[CGOffroad]

I ran Carter fuel pumps on all my Pinto's. A few years ago, they changed the part numbers.

P90091
P60504

These numbers are from my records. One of these numbers is the 'old' number, and as far as I know one of them is the 'present' part number. Do a search for Carter fuel pumps and these part numbers. You should get to their site and find the specs.

[Rick Kirchner]

There's a crazy number of options at Summit

[BruceRace]

I ran the Ivey supplied electric pump for years...never any issues!