A friend sent this pic to me. Anybody know what led up to this pageantry?
Fuss at COTA
A friend sent this pic to me. Anybody know what led up to this pageantry?
Mike Beauchamp
RF95 Prototype 2
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I saw a short video on FB, clearly showing the incident. From memory, the pole position guy (or maybe second or third place starter) spinning out in T1, followed by what you pictured. Further to the left of the cars in your picture were even more cars making contact.
From what I've watched of Majors this year thus far, there seem to be very few (maybe none) races that weren't shortened (by a lot).
Racer Russ
Palm Coast, FL
Gotta be Photoshop.
Shriners parade practice? 3 years olds playing "follow the leader"?
That's ridiculous !!! Lots of situational awareness being displayed.
Link to video ?Originally Posted by RussMcB
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Go to 7:34. https://youtu.be/GFvT3zfwfFg
Spinner drives away from the fracas...
Formula Orgy?
And a little bit of target fixation thrown in for good measure.Lots of situational awareness being displayed.
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Most of those drivers couldn't see what was happening in front of them. The rise up the front straight obscures the line of sight to track out. Additionally, the first car might see it, but once that car moves to avoid the spinning car the second car has less time, if any, to avoid. Hard to imagine 10 or so drivers all spacing out at the exact same time, independently in the same way - that's pretty unlikely. If you look at the video, most of the cars in the crash line were behind a car that was able to avoid. The following car couldn't see what was happening on the other side of the hill until the cars in front moved away, and then it was too late.
Yea, well...you could see just fine, at least I could and I was in the middle of it (got pounded from behind and spun drivers left into the grass at the apex). It’s what tends to happen when you put 50 formula cars on the track; P1, P2, FA, FC, FE, FX, and they all try to go through the corner at the same time. Total lack of sense. I requested a split start for the FC, FX group (19 cars). We’ll see if it happens.
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Here is the direct link at the time:
https://youtu.be/GFvT3zfwfFg?t=27306
-Mark
Mark Uhlmann
Vancouver, Canada
'12 Stohr WF1
Once you see the video, one can see how it could happen....
It is easy to call all the drivers idiots, but when you have 50 cars entering a blind corner after the start and the two leaders touch on entry, one ending up sideways on the line, with a chain reaction of stationary cars on the line, through the apex ...... you get pictures as shown. I am not sure that 50 cars made this worse than 30, or the mixed classes made any difference. When the leaders tangle in the first corner after the start of any race on any track ...... you get a mess. Sometimes "Stuff" happens!
Fortunately, the corner was slow enough that no one got hurt or had their car totally destroyed.
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The cleanup was an entire cluster. 29 minutes to clean the up the scene. COTA appears to have only one tow truck with a hook.
Conga Conga Conga!
"Leap Frog".....
I was lucky. Drove around it to the outside.
MR
Correct only had one wrecker. No why only the one but that is what was there.
Chris Buccola track brat since 1986.
Chicago Region- Corner Worker
Spec Racer Ford Gen 2 #38
The track had more than one wrecker with a hook. There are three of them. The issue is that they were not allowing anyone involved to drive off with a damaged race car. Each car had to be either carried to impound on the hook or placed on a flat bed truck. The clean up crew did a great job of getting these cars to impound without any further damage to them. I did not mind waiting a few extra minutes for the restart to guaranty all cars were safely removed.
BTW, I have been in many wings and things starts with more than 50 cars with no incidents. These things happen..no big deal.
WTF? Was that in the supps? I can see not allowing someone to drive off with something like a snapped off rod end on suspension, but you should be allowed to go around and get into the pits to fix bodywork or wings.
I take it this was black all, or did it go red?
red.
we went black. Everyone to pit road.
On the online timing and scoring, the top of the page that indicates the status of the circuit changed to red.
Question about who is responsible for the down time: the group that causes it or all groups?
What is the accepted operating procedure among race stewards?
I can see that on Saturday you could have the some options, but on Sunday it seems that the options are very limited.
Brian
No one group is responsible for down time at any event. Accidents are a risk we all accept and down time comes with some of them. Every entrant pays a fee to rent the track for an event and all share the risks involved...track cleanup, weather, questionable decisions and all other mattes that result in limiting track time. I would hope that this discussion is more about curiosity of the facts that resulted in the doggy style photo and not finger pointing blame to specific drivers, class, officials or cleanup crew.
The COTA and Lone Start Region workers do a good job and Sunday was a great race with only a short double yellow.
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