Aeroscreen for Indycars...

[EricP]

Interesting. Aesthetically, I'm not crazy about it but if it works, I am for it.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/drivers...-ready-to-race

[Daryl DeArman]

I wonder how much the odds of heavy-ish debris ending up in the grandstands will increase?

[R. Pare]

I'm wondering more about massively reduced visibility towards the end of a long race when driving into the sun with a dirty windscreen.

[Raceworks]

Interesting. Aesthetically, I'm not crazy about it but if it works, I am for it.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/drivers...-ready-to-race

I like it better than the halo, although I'm not sure how necessary the plexiglass really is.

[EricP]

I'm wondering more about massively reduced visibility towards the end of a long race when driving into the sun with a dirty windscreen.

It appears there is a tear-off on the screen but yeah, that could be an issue. Helmet visors have issues too... although probably not as bad. Will be interesting to see...

[Raceworks]

I'm wondering more about massively reduced visibility towards the end of a long race when driving into the sun with a dirty windscreen.

I'm betting they use tear-offs similar to what they've used in endurance sports car racing for the last 15 years.

[SEComposites]

I wonder what happens when it rains? I can see that at speed it may not be an issue but under slower safety car speeds maybe?
Personally I prefer the Halo aesthetically.

[Hardingfv32]

I'll take MotoGP where you can still see what the drive/rider is doing.

Brian

[Steve Demeter]

It is butt ugly. Maybe when the frame is painted to harmonize with the car it will not look as bad. I hope that they are using something better than plexiglass.

And I second the visibility issues it could introduce.

The NHRA canopy is much nicer looking, but not sure how applicable it would be to Indy Car.

[DaveW]

It's polycarbonate - Lexan.

[grapefarmeral]

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Formula Vee had this covered years ago....

[mmi16]

Rain on a road course is one thing - but the mud and slop that get kicked upon a following car is another.

At present you can clear your visor with your hand and fingers - with the RBT Screen - NFW!

[R. Pare]

I hope that they are using something better than plexiglass.

It is actually built to F15 canopy specs, if i recall correctly.

[cjsmith]

You won't need helmet tear offs any more. Would be nice if they could develop a driver activated tear off roll that could be rotated or advanced as needed. As mentioned, rain could be a problem. Maybe 2 separate windshield wipers and some windshield washer fluid that would spray on your windshield and the next 2 cars behind you....

[tige00]

Looks horrible, are we dirt tracking now. And what kind of drag does that produce, nothing like having a see through wall sitting in front and on top of the car, rediculous.

[Kazis31]

i agree hideous halo with class in it.

Good by old school racing.......

[t walgamuth]

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Formula Vee had this covered years ago....

this is the best.

[Purple Frog]

I read some of the above comments and i think these old timers must have also been against:

Roll bars
Belts
Helmets
HANS devices
Safety Barriers
On board fire systems
Nomex
Fuel Cells
etc. etc. etc.

Maybe they want everyone driving around in cotton shirts and baseball caps at 235 MPH, to show they are "real men".

I've seen a kid in formula car hit a deer.
And watch a Swift tailpipe bouncing along the track ahead of you coming out of T5 at Atlanta.
I've had a car on top of me with a few inches between its frame and the front of my helmet... these things are needed.

Get upside down sliding along on a guard rail sometime...

[grapefarmeral]

You won't need helmet tear offs any more. Would be nice if they could develop a driver activated tear off roll that could be rotated or advanced as needed. As mentioned, rain could be a problem. Maybe 2 separate windshield wipers and some windshield washer fluid that would spray on your windshield and the next 2 cars behind you....

Dirt trackers have had a motorized "tear off" for years

[GrahamLoughead35]

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Formula Vee had this covered years ago....

As cool as this Formula Vee looked it is illegal to do now in the FV class

[EricP]

As cool as this Formula Vee looked it is illegal to do now in the FV class

But those aluminum folding chairs are still okay, right? Classic...

[t walgamuth]

I wonder how much the odds of heavy-ish debris ending up in the grandstands will increase?

I'm betting none or near none.

[pacratt]

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Formula Vee had this covered years ago....

It was also thrown aside when drivers realized how little - or NO - visibility they had when it rained and/or got mud slinged on it.
I guess this means IndyCars racing road courses in the wet will become a thing of the past (?)
My vote..Halo - YES...Windscreen - NO
Glenn

[fvracerone1]

Noble withdrew from the Runoffs race because he couldn't see. they slotted the front of the windscreen to help defrost the windscreen.

FV

[chrisw52]

I read some of the above comments and i think these old timers must have also been against:

Roll bars
Belts
Helmets
HANS devices
Safety Barriers
On board fire systems
Nomex
Fuel Cells
etc. etc. etc.

Maybe they want everyone driving around in cotton shirts and baseball caps at 235 MPH, to show they are "real men".

I've seen a kid in formula car hit a deer.
And watch a Swift tailpipe bouncing along the track ahead of you coming out of T5 at Atlanta.
I've had a car on top of me with a few inches between its frame and the front of my helmet... these things are needed.

Get upside down sliding along on a guard rail sometime...

fine.. then be done with it, put roofs, windshields and fenders on the car and kill off professional open wheel racing

meanwhile, the rest of the club racers will continue to race these "manly" classic race cars risking life and limb because they love racing...

[Peter Olivola]

Racing safety improvements are very much like application software development. As an issue is addressed, other things become apparent and need to be addressed.

Cars now crash without catching fire and if they do the driver has been sufficiently restrained and is wearing fire retardant materials giving him/her a chance to get out. Things aren't penetrating the driver's compartment nearly as frequently.

We're getting down to the remaining open space, which is where things seem to be the focus of concern.

Undoubtedly, should the halo/windscreen prove successful in reducing cockpit intrusion further, some other area will become the focus of attention due to its prevalence in injuries.

According to those who object so strongly to these advancements, we should just stop trying to improve things.

Bollocks!

[Daryl DeArman]

I'm betting none or near none.

Hopefully you are correct. However, that piece of debris/spring/wheel/whatever that hits that windscreen is going to be deflected upwards and outwards. How far and how high, we'll see.

[GT1Vette]

Hopefully you are correct. However, that piece of debris/spring/wheel/whatever that hits that windscreen is going to be deflected upwards and outwards. How far and how high, we'll see.

Really?

Let's ask the spectator who was sitting in the top row of the stands at the 1987 Indy 500 and got killed by a loose wheel that Roberto Guererro punted between turns 3 & 4 if HE thinks debris gets launched by cars with no windscreen. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/05...1352548827200/

But carry on regardless...

[Daryl DeArman]

Really?

Let's ask the spectator who was sitting in the top row of the stands at the 1987 Indy 500 and got killed by a loose wheel that Roberto Guererro punted between turns 3 & 4 if HE thinks debris gets launched by cars with no windscreen. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/05...1352548827200/

But carry on regardless...

Where did I say debris don't get launched by cars without a windscreen?

In fact, I could argue that it's implicit in my previous statement that it does happen and the odds of future occurrences has now been increased to some degree.

[Rick Kirchner]

i was at that race and a good friend of mine was a "yellow shirt" behind the north chute grandstand. Wheel landed about 50 feet from him after killing the spectator (who was looking over the back of the grandstand and didn't see it coming).

I agree with peter and Froggie on this one. Once we stopped beating guys to death we burned them to death. Then we figured out that the majority of deaths remaining were hangman's fractures. we
re getting down to cutting the handle of the toothbrush now. Deaths are extremely low, and almost all involve a solid blow to the head.

They are ugly now. give them a couple years of refinement and a chassis designed for the and they'll be fine.

Indy had huge wind screens in the 70s. They just figured out how to build a car that didn't need them anymore. Now they do. pretty simple.

[t walgamuth]

From the limited view of the Penske windshield it looked pretty nice. A full fighter style canopy would look extremely cool too but the driver would not be visible.

[greg pizzo]

upside down and on fire I would not want to be in that car or even just upside down in soft dirt or gravel trap NO thanks ! besides being FUGLY

[JerryH]

Yes FV had one......and most were eventually removed......very poor visibility.

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[R. Pare]

I'm sorry, but that is butt ugly.

[EricP]

I'm sorry, but that is butt ugly.

Ugh, yeah, agreed. I wasn't crazy about the F1 at first but I've gotten used to it and it is WAY better than this. I'm all for the safety improvement but this is hard to look at...

[R. Pare]

On top of that, one can only wonder about what it is doing to the airflow to the rear wing...

[Purple Frog]

it matches the whole car.

[ChristopherBernard]

Oh! And I thought that was a Shriner's Parade Car!
Seriously! In my opinion you can see components from several completely different cars here.
Don't mind me I don't even follow Indy cars ,what do I know.

[billtebbutt]

Why don't we just skip to the inevitable conclusion????

Pull the drivers out of the cars permanently. Let them drive by remote, in the comfort of their motorcoaches, via their iPhones.

I'll show myself out now

BT

[swiftdrivr]

I'm sorry, but that is butt ugly.

The original design was clear, curved, aerodynamically efficient, and while not pretty, wasn't really distracting. This thing looks like it belongs on a tractor, or maybe a tank. Mount a 50 caliber on the rim, no reinforcement necessary... I am surprised that they couldn't come up with something less aesthetically jarring. But then, maybe they are trying to get Caterpillar as a title sponsor?
Looks better than Senna in a Williams though.