Lifeline Fire bottle

[wilbil]

This is a refilled bottle with Halon1211. $90.00+shipping or OBO Pay Pal OK.

[iracer]

Sold, e-mail sent

[wilbil]

sold, thanks Apex!

[BWC54]

Just wondering how you're shipping it?

[PaulT]

I was wondering about how it was shipping too.

Paul

[wilbil]

ground

[kea]

Ground to Canada correct.
Special labels?
Let us know how that goes.

[PaulT]

ground

I was looking for a little more information. UPS & FedEx classify compressed gasses (full fire bottle) as a hazardous material. So it was my understanding that you need certification to ship. So I was hoping that you had a plan for getting around this...

Thanks,
Paul

[RussMcB]

iracer could always do local pick up. :-).

[DB4 Tim]

It is my understanding the dealer can only send new ones.....you cannot even send one back to be filled....

[a. pettipas]

How does UPS know the bottle is filled Halon? I wouldn't hesitate to ship something like this regular ground.

Aaron

[DB4 Tim]

I think the issues is....even ground can go air, the shipper has the choice to move the product however they want...you only pay what you chose...but they can...

Trucking is guaranteed to go ground.

[Paul LeCain]

I shipped my empty bottle USPS.

It was returned UPS ground with a Dangerous Goods (DG) surcharge of $20.

[DB4 Tim]

Damn it was empty and not charged....go figure they probably opened it to find out ?

I shipped my empty bottle USPS.

It was returned UPS ground with a Dangerous Goods (DG) surcharge of $20.

[a. pettipas]

I'm guessing Paul sent his bottle out to the manufacturer - or whoever - to be re-charged, they sent it back filled with DG charge applied. The filler would have to disclose the content of what they are shipping, they're running a business and it's their ass! They would never take a chance on improperly shipping a DG. I wouldn't either - nor would I care as the customer paying for shipping - if the DG charge is only $20.

Aaron

[Paul LeCain]

I'm guessing Paul sent his bottle out to the manufacturer - or whoever - to be re-charged, they sent it back filled with DG charge applied. The filler would have to disclose the content of what they are shipping, they're running a business and it's their ass! They would never take a chance on improperly shipping a DG. I wouldn't either - nor would I care as the customer paying for shipping - if the DG charge is only $20.

Aaron

That's what I meant to say, and apparently didn't quite.

[DB4 Tim]

Weird you can buy a new bottle and have it sent but cannot refill. ??

I have had two dealers tell me that.

[Paul LeCain]

I'm not communicating what happened here.

I had an empty (fired, electric) Halon bottle.
I sent it (empty) via USPS to be re-filled.
It couldn't be returned USPS because it was now...full.
It was returned UPS ground, with an additional fee (DG) of $20. The actual shipping was $11.35, total $31.35.

This was in the summer of 2009. Maybe Big Sis has changed the rules since then.

[DB4 Tim]

Paul, I completely understand, what I have been told is it can't be done ( you accomplishing this is great IMO)....so I what I get from this is fire the thing send it empty and get it filled.

[Matt King]

Paul, I completely understand, what I have been told is it can't be done ( you accomplishing this is great IMO)....so I what I get from this is fire the thing send it empty and get it filled.

Except that for what is typically costs to get one re-filled, you can almost buy a new one. So firing it off is a huge waste of money. Better to pay the haz-mat shipping fee or find a way to have it delivered outside of commercial shipping.

[a. pettipas]

Paul, I completely understand, what I have been told is it can't be done ( you accomplishing this is great IMO)....so I what I get from this is fire the thing send it empty and get it filled.

Why would someone fire off a full bottle, then send out for a recharge? Testing actuation? The needle on my LL bottle is in the green zone, full is full, it's going back in the car as is.

[DB4 Tim]

have it delivered outside of commercial shipping.

we could establish a net work of who is going and coming from where......and hopscotch it across the country.....I like it

[DB4 Tim]

Doesn't it have a date on it for checking, I am a bit new to this however I did think there is requirement for inspection by authorized dealer....??

Why would someone fire off a full bottle, then send out for a recharge? Testing actuation? The needle on my LL bottle is in the green zone, full is full, it's going back in the car as is.

[a. pettipas]

Doesn't it have a date on it for checking, I am a bit new to this however I did think there is requirement for inspection by authorized dealer....??

In my experience - ASN/FIA Canada, SCCA, SVRA, HSR etc. - I have never had a tech inspector examine my fire suppression system that thoroughly, but that's not to say it can't or won't or shouldn't happen.

In fact, I have never examined my system that thoroughly!

[Steve Demeter]

My local SCCA tech guy who does annual tech for me asks if I have weighed it. It has a pressure gage as well.

I regularly check both.

Easy and gives some peace of mind.

The thing about not being to ship or refill certain cylinders has to do with DOT approval which entered the mix a few years ago.

Basically it is not legal to ship a non DOT approved bottle that is pressurized.

Depending on the filler, they might fill a non dot one if you pick it up in person.

Lots of handheld fire extinbushers are being tossed because the cost to hydro test them, which has to be done every 5 years, for them to be legally refilled, costs almost as much as a new one.

[Tiago Santos]

I assume the reason they can't be shipped via air is the same as when they tell me I need to let the air out of my bicycle tires before flying.. Somehow the pressure could go up like, a lot, and blow it up.

A friend much cleverer than me once worked out that if the plane was to somehow miss a turn and end up on the moon, the pressure in my tires might change from 60psi to an insanely dangerous 70psi.. Or about 30psi less than they're rated for. Phew, better safe than sorry!

Somehow I'm sort of sure that these bottles can take a 10psi increase without much trouble..

[brownslane]

Tiago, actually the internal pressures remain the same. It is only the external pressure that is changing, albeit less. So there IS a differential change, but it is minimial. I recently flew my mountain bike into Phoenix from Toronto. No probs with tires or pressures or anything. Airlines are happy to charge the $110.00 to ship a bicycle.

By the way, you folks in Arizona and Utah have some awesome country!! I spent a week in Moab, and loved it! The views!! Nothing like this Ontario boy has ever seen.

Back to aircraft. The danger is less of an explosion, but more of the potential damage that can be caused by Halon in a closed environment. FAA take a serious look at this kinda stuff. The bottles will not explode.....if a simple change of 10 bar would explode a firebottle, what the heck are we doing with it located under our.....well, you know, jewels!!

[irishbluesurfer]

If you need any refills of Halon i'm your guy boats cars buildings Halon Banking Systems will and can refill any bottles you need! shoot me an email and i'll give you a qoute ship me the empty bottle and i'll re fill and ship it back! chad.knuth@halonbankingsystems.us