86 Reynard v VD ??

[emotepix]

Anybody here had good seat time in both an 86 VD and an 86 Reynard (either in FC of FF trim) and care to give me a turn by turn comparison of handling characteristics?
Thanks

[edit] just read the Frog's post about FCs.
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Just to stir things up a bit: Based on printed results...

First tier:
Late model VD
Citation (rarer than hen's teeth)
Piper (get in line)
Mygale
Swift DB6 (not as rare as hen's teeth, if you have millions $)

Second tier:
Old Crossle with super driver
Tatuus
Carbir
'97 VD

Third tier:
'96 VD

Fourth tier:
Group A:
'90-'95 VD
Group B:
Late 80's Reynards
Late 80's Swift

Fifth tier:
'80s VD
'82-'84 Reynard

Sixth tier:
'85 - '86 Reynard
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Similar answers/standings in FF?

[Larry]

The 86 Reynard came in two flavors; 1600 and 2000. The cars built BY THE FACTORY as 2000 cars were almost identical to the 83/4 Reynard (which were excellent cars!). Cars built as 1600 cars were pushrod fronts with the rear rockers/configuration as used in 83/4. These were good cars, too. The 85 Reynard was problematic (rear pushrod suspension), so the 86 design corrected this by going to rear rockers.

There were a number of 86 factory 1600 cars that were brought to the US and converted to 2000 cars. These are eacily identifiable, because they have pushrod front suspension. They are beautiful cars, and they work reasonably well. The only Reynard that has been truly lacking is the 85.

The 82 Reynard had several variations. These cars didn't have configuration control. They were pretty good, but not as good as the 83/4 car. Up through 1990, the Reynard seemed to be slightly better than the comparable Van Diemen. At this stage, however, all of these cars are pretty well sorted, and most typical club drivers won't pick up two seconds just by going to a newer car. The differences are in 10ths, and for highly experienced drivers who also know how to set up a car.

Larry Oliver
International Racing Products

[Wren]

is there really that much of a line for the new Pipers?