Help ID this car

[killerken53]

Seller has this car on Marketplace as a 2005 Indy Lites car. Has no logbook or other info. Does that seem right? What class would this run in? Ballpark value?
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[Steve Davis]

This
http://aandbracing.com/FORMULACARS.HTML
might give you a bit more information. Obviously, SCCA - possibly. I know pretty much nothing, but thought this website might help you. Car looks like it's been sitting a FEW YEARS. MIGHT have been a decent car in 2005?
Steve

[Fred Michael]

I would think that it would be welcome in many Vintage organizations. Looks like it would need a ground up rebuild and that will definitely not be cheap. Not really sure how available spare parts are for those these days. No idea on value

[E1pix]

I reviewed all 2005 races, no #10 car ran in 2005.

Not to worry, it may well be a 2005 car that was not #10 until in later years.

Here’s the reference if you want to know who drove this car. I know I would.

This is the Indy Lights results homepage. It’s two clicks to go forward to look at each race’s results; first click on the year, then click on the race # at far left to see that race’s results.

After checking each page of results, it’s one click back to more results from a season, or two back to change years.

Good Luck.
https://www.racing-reference.info/in...s-series-page/

[DBS Motorsports]

I could be wrong, but it looks like an old Fran-am car. They become a bit of on orphan car after the series folded. I believe Tatuus built the tubs, and they had either a 1.6 or 2.0L Renault engine. It was a series that was spec racing all like cars. Slower and heavier than say an USF2000 in the day. The series lasted a year or 2 in the US Circa 2002' ish. No idea what the parts available would be, I would guess poor, and at least a 20 year old part.

[stonebridge20]

That's not an Indy Lts car.

[marchsv]

Pretty sure that is a Fran Am car. There were two of these testing one day at Seattle, only ran with them once. The young men managed to wad both of them in turn five. Never saw them again


https://us.motorsport.com/openwheel/news/scca-pro-racing-to-sanction-fran-am-2000-series/960089/

[Rick Kirchner]

That's either a 1.6 or 2L Fran-am.

[marchsv]

found this little tid bit, but has some good pictures. the 1600 did not have the raised nose.

https://appletowing.hibid.com/lot/60...-2000-race-car

[killerken53]

So an orphan car from a spec series. Definitely beyond my capabilities. The seller must have bought out or inherited the shop Mr. Davis found, he has both cars, plus spares. He also has an inflated value, though it may just be ignorance. Thanks everyone for the help, I knew Apex would have an answer.

[tlracer]

More info on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Renault

The cars were the same as Formula Renault used in various championships across the world. As so many cars were built, parts shouldn't be difficult to source, but I guess the question still remains of where it could race in the US?

[Steve Davis]

I think it could race in SCCA at the Regional level in Formula Super. MAYBE it might even qualify for FX ?? Would take some research and more info on the car.
Steve

[billtebbutt]

We see the occasional one up here in the North. They always seemed a bit "coopered" together to me, in terms of the overall engineering, FWIW. Again, and it is a personal thing, I've always tried (not always succeeded!) to only buy cars that I felt I could find a ready market for in the future...

best,
bt

[Brian Graham]

Same car used in the Allen Berg Racing School. After the success of the 2.0 Fran Am series there was an attempt to start a series for it here in Canada but it never got off the ground, think only one or two made it here and they disappeared quickly. Pretty decent car for a racing school, the big brother Fran Am car, known as F Renault in Europe was a very successful car, durable, fast and not bad to work on.

Brian.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

The reference to AandB Racing on the car......

I think cars 10 and 11 are on the stacker at the bottom of the page....
http://aandbracing.com/FORMULACARS.HTML

[killerken53]

Thanks everyone, it is indeed a Fran-Am 1600. Looks complete but rode hard and put up wet. I don't think I have the driving talent, financial means, or technical knowledge to revive this car.

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[Charles Warner]

Wise decision.

[Robins Ken]

Seller has this car on Marketplace as a 2005 Indy Lites car. Has no logbook or other info. Does that seem right? What class would this run in? Ballpark value?

There are 2-3 cars that attend sporadically. From the Ottawa-Montreal area. Car histories unknown to me. As Brian G says not a bad piece of kit. The mono shock arrangement might drive you nuts. I recall some Renault bearings and seals needing service. It looked a solid series then the usual 'too many flies around the jampot' kayboshed it. Bodywork had holograms to deter repair. I kid you not.

[John Nesbitt]

Ah, Fran-Am (aka Formula Renault). Bit of a touchy history with SCCA. Which might help explain why one sees few/none at Club events.

That said, Formula Renault 2000 is defined in the FX rules.

In the late 2000s, a DC Region member bought a 1600 with the intent of converting it to FF. Nothing came of it, and I suspect that the car is moldering in a storage unit somewhere.

[EYERACE]

I went searching on line for this car.......to no avail.
Is this car yet posted up as an Indy Lite?
No idea if the seller knows ApexSpeed........
Is the seller therefore open to who knows what sort of............

[Frank62]

It’s on FB market place here: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0245364558926/

[tlracer]

Price is rather...ambitious? Unless that's for both cars and all the spare parts

[Agitator]

Can't tell by the ad if he wants $30K for both...or each. Seems like you could put a little air in the tires, roll it out into the driveway, and spray a little Simple Green on it. As it sits, it looks like it just sits.

That said, in his very detailed description.."it will do 165mph, and is a serious race car."

[killerken53]

All the info I got from him in multiple conversations:

The cars came out of Canada approximately 3 years ago. He decided to build his own 1/2 mile race track to play with, and Google maps shows a glorified kart track near his home. Arial photo below. He hasn't done anything with the cars yet, as he is a boat guy. He does have 2 cars plus a spare engine, wheels, and other various components. He sent me quite a few photos, but I am not going to duplicate them here. The one nose is stitched back together with zipties. The car does look complete, including the dash.

In my opinion, I think he's bit off more than he can chew, and is looking to get money back for his other hobbies. I was going to try and make him a more reasonable offer, but decided this project wasn't for me. I'm realizing these are probably only good for parts that can be used on other formula cars with active classes here in the states.

[Brian Graham]

The parts idea is not really going to pan out, they are very specific. There is a reason this series never took off. They are basically a track day car that prepared properly should be reliable but you will need to have your own parts department. Perfect for a school such as Alan Berg's Racing School. In its best form they are not a quick as a FF but that means little for what they were initially intended for. The description of the performance is not anywhere near accurate. Racecars are racecars and these would work for someone who wants a fun car for track days.

Brian.