Toyo R888 vs Hoosier VFF Formula Ford

[Larry H]

Which tire is faster?

[stonebridge20]

With no back to back experience on the same car but having driven on both tires, I'd guess the Hoosier is quicker on a FF.

[billtebbutt]

Same here. Even if they displayed the same traction characteristics, with the Toyo your little Kent/Fit is spinning 4 large bales of steel wire. The weight difference alone is large, let alone the effort required to spin a much heavier tire.

And not that you asked, but the driving characteristics are extremely different. With the Toyo, the steering effort required is much higher, and feedback is far more harsh.

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[Larry H]

And not that you asked, but the driving characteristics are extremely different. With the Toyo, the steering effort required is much higher, and feedback is far more harsh.

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bt

I've run only Toyos but the steering effort seems very very low with no harsh feedback. They seem like a good tire with a reputation that they will go 3 or 4 weekends without loss in lap time. Admittedly, I've only run 2 weekends and coming from sprint karts my reference might be off.

[billtebbutt]

I've run only Toyos but the steering effort seems very very low with no harsh feedback. They seem like a good tire with a reputation that they will go 3 or 4 weekends without loss in lap time. Admittedly, I've only run 2 weekends and coming from sprint karts my reference might be off.

Larry, I had only run Toyos in my RF 90 until I went to the 50th. I put on a new set of Hoosier VFF tires and the difference was night and day (and I left all the alignment settings static, as I am lazy and was having way too much fun).

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[DanW]

Out here on the Left Coast we tried several street radials to find an alternative tire for Club Ford to replace the American Racers. It was hard to get enough heat into the R888s and most other street radials to get them to work. The Hoosier VFF and the Avon FF tires had more steering feel than the R888 as well. R888s work well on my Lotus Elise for track days, with good life, but the Elise is twice the weight with driver and fuel.

[stonebridge20]

Out here on the Left Coast we tried several street radials to find an alternative tire for Club Ford to replace the American Racers. It was hard to get enough heat into the R888s and most other street radials to get them to work. The Hoosier VFF and the Avon FF tires had more steering feel than the R888 as well. R888s work well on my Lotus Elise for track days, with good life, but the Elise is twice the weight with driver and fuel.

I put the R888 on my Datsun 510 and immediately went back to the Hoosier TD's
because the R888's didn't want to give me any warning before they'd try to pitch me into the weeds.

[DanW]

I put the R888 on my Datsun 510 and immediately went back to the Hoosier TD's
because the R888's didn't want to give me any warning before they'd try to pitch me into the weeds.

Same with me at Sears Point Turn 11 yesterday morning in the Elise. 50F first session, the tires wouldn't get warm and wake up.

[ric baribeault]

I've run both. There's no doubt in my mind the Hoosier is better than the old Toyo in every way. The new Toyo is supposed to be better than the old ones, but I definitely prefer the Hoosiers.