your next engine?

[provamo]

https://jalopnik.com/what-car-deserv...ine-1846233488

[Purple Frog]

Meanwhile... back at the ranch... word is that Honda has quit producing Fit kits, and won't give anyone else permission to build them.

[David Ferguson]

Fundamentally that's whats in the F3 / F4 cars...

https://hpd.honda.com/Motorsports/F3-F4

[Rick Kirchner]

I'm a test driver for Honda, and RUMINT around the facility is that Honda wants to get out of all racing. A couple of the guys also drive for HPD, so next time I see one I'll find out as much as I can.

[alangbaker]

Meanwhile... back at the ranch... word is that Honda has quit producing Fit kits, and won't give anyone else permission to build them.

I actually had a brief conversation with someone at HPD, and he said the SCCA is working on finding someone else to make the bespoke racing parts.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

I'm a test driver for Honda, and RUMINT around the facility is that Honda wants to get out of all racing. A couple of the guys also drive for HPD, so next time I see one I'll find out as much as I can.

So what's next for F3/F4 then. Hmm...

[Rick Kirchner]

Or Indycar.....

[alangbaker]

I just want to figure out how we ensure that FF can still get the parts necessary.

[Kazis31]

There is an armada of K20 and k24 engines in junk yards all over USA.( just look on ebay good engine 1k to 3k )
any engine builder or garagista can service and rebuilt them for at least next few decades.

unless there is government destroy them all incentive in place for electric push.
Not like that never happened.

[t walgamuth]

There is an armada of K20 and k24 engines in junk yards all over USA.( just look on ebay good engine 1k to 3k )
any engine builder or garagista can service and rebuilt them for at least next few decades.

unless there is government destroy them all incentive in place for electric push.
Not like that never happened.

I'd love to drive my car with a nice K20 in it. The one in the YC3 was very strong, about 250 hp at flywheel, but no class to run it in.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

There is an armada of K20 and k24 engines in junk yards all over USA.( just look on ebay good engine 1k to 3k )
any engine builder or garagista can service and rebuilt them for at least next few decades.

unless there is government destroy them all incentive in place for electric push.
Not like that never happened.

And a good supply of JDM units too.

Makes me wonder. Has Japan or any other country made the same legislative push toward electric?

[Kazis31]

Toyota and Honda seems to be keen on hydrogen

[Rick Kirchner]

China and Norway certainly have.

[Daryl DeArman]

Norway can make it happen, easily. Twice as many vehicles registered in the city of Los Angles than the entire country of Norway.

China will make it happen and won't be reliant on foreign oil, of course their electricity production and battery manufacturing/disposal will have a terrible impact on the environment.

We don't even have the infrastructure in CA to make it through a windy warm summer day without rolling blackouts. How the heck do they expect to support 15 Million vehicles being charged? Dispose of 1.5 Million vehicle battery packs every year? Clean and efficient IC engines are the answer.

[Stan Clayton]

I'd love to drive my car with a nice K20 in it. The one in the YC3 was very strong, about 250 hp at flywheel, but no class to run it in.

Except FA, P1 and P2.

[Kazis31]

Word half baked comes to mind.........

Hydrogen is the only real green car energy and its barely being pushed by anyone.
WTF is gonna happen with massive amount of lithium batteries in decade to come?????

We're not very long therm smart as community .emotional instead.

Yet having bill Gates pull screen over sun to cool planet down seems like awesome idea for some.

Can anyone say Highlander 2????

It seems at time we live in 80's sci-fi movie.

Take by take..

Someone knows WTF is going on......

[BeerBudgetRacing]

Hydrogen is the only real green car energy

Only if produced by solar or nuclear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciStnd9Y2ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHZKo13HV2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoGHICUegBo

[Rick Kirchner]

Daryl the blackouts were due to an extreme weather event. It's not like that's going to be common. There are extreme weather events everywhere that cause disruption. Most people in the Midwest wouldn't be able to afford their winter heating bill if they had to pay the actual rates at the time it's consumed. Grids go down all the time for ice storms, tornados, etc.

But the major difference between the west and the east is the east actually has a "grid" where it's possible to route around problems and and bring in production from other places. The west is more trunk and branch, there are physical constraints that make it harder to be resilient out here.

[Daryl DeArman]

Daryl the blackouts were due to an extreme weather event.

Ha ha ha. You spelled potential liability and lack of adequate storage/generation incorrectly. .

Those "extreme weather events" were Santa Ana winds and heat waves that happen every single year.

We simply are incapable of generating enough power to meet the demands during peak usage. We also don't have the ability to store adequate excess energy generated when we don't have that demand. Solar generation isn't very effective when the sun's down, it's still 90+ degrees out and 15 million+ customers are running their central air. Wait until we have 15 million electric vehicles plugged in to their chargers overnight.

[alangbaker]

Ha ha ha. You spelled potential liability and lack of adequate storage/generation incorrectly. .

Those "extreme weather events" were Santa Ana winds and heat waves that happen every single year.

We simply are incapable of generating enough power to meet the demands during peak usage. We also don't have the ability to store adequate excess energy generated when we don't have that demand. Solar generation isn't very effective when the sun's down, it's still 90+ degrees out and 15 million+ customers are running their central air. Wait until we have 15 million electric vehicles plugged in to their chargers overnight.

You're right, Daryl!

Nothing EVER changes.

We should all go back to coal...

...no, wood!

Steam trains everybody!

[Daryl DeArman]

You're right, Daryl!

Nothing EVER changes.

We should all go back to coal...

...no, wood!

Steam trains everybody!

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the situation here.

I'm not against progress. I'm against poorly thought-out edicts disguised as progress.

We are a long ways away from being able to support the demands on our electrical grid, yet "we" can't buy new ICE cars in a short 14 years. Any idea what that will do to our demand? For some concept of scale, our state has a larger population than your entire country, and it gets as hot a Hades down here. We have power shut off just about every time we get a slight breeze and it's hot out. If our forests were properly managed it wouldn't as large of an issue.

[alangbaker]

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the situation here.

I'm not against progress. I'm against poorly thought-out edicts disguised as progress.

We are a long ways away from being able to support the demands on our electrical grid, yet "we" can't buy new ICE cars in a short 14 years. Any idea what that will do to our demand? For some concept of scale, our state has a larger population than your entire country, and it gets as hot a Hades down here. We have power shut off just about every time we get a slight breeze and it's hot out. If our forests were properly managed it wouldn't as large of an issue.

Daryl,

14 years at the current pace of change is EONS.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

Steam trains everybody!

I do like steam trains.

[TimH]

Daryl,

14 years at the current pace of change is EONS.

Actually, that's about how long it takes to get a single nuke plant approved, much less built.

[Kazis31]

Nuke plant on most seismic land in US.
Another well thought trough idea.
Fukushima tough us nothing.....?..?..?

Three are green localized solutions but they are too cost effective for big boys to make killing on it.

My cousin in Europe is green energy contractor and consultant.

They make theses small scale electric plants than run on submarine engine like looking generators
that are fed by mulch logs. cheap and easy to run.(burning mulch produces methane gas that moves generator)
Here in northern California was a guy ( also owns places in Mexico) that grows algae fields for same
burning log purpose.( algae triples its body mass in 24 hour cycle)
Also green and efficient.
He gets No government or big boy support.


This whole global warming,corona,green crisis movement is biggest population fooling and money grabbing
game ever conducted by man...

Peace out...

[Kazis31]

Safe to say I went WAYYY off original subject....

[t walgamuth]

Except FA, P1 and P2.

Ahhhhh, but I am just a lowly autocrosser.

[t walgamuth]

Nuke plant on most seismic land in US.
Another well thought trough idea.
Fukushima tough us nothing.....?..?..?

Three are green localized solutions but they are too cost effective for big boys to make killing on it.

My cousin in Europe is green energy contractor and consultant.

They make theses small scale electric plants than run on submarine engine like looking generators
that are fed by mulch logs. cheap and easy to run.(burning mulch produces methane gas that moves generator)
Here in northern California was a guy ( also owns places in Mexico) that grows algae fields for same
burning log purpose.( algae triples its body mass in 24 hour cycle)
Also green and efficient.
He gets No government or big boy support.


This whole global warming,corona,green crisis movement is biggest population fooling and money grabbing
game ever conducted by man...

Peace out...

We need to figure out how to do these so they can burn plastic.

[Daryl DeArman]

Daryl,

14 years at the current pace of change is EONS.

You seem to be confusing technology with the CA government increasing infrastructure.

Take the bullet train to nowhere as a prime example. If you're ignorant of that fiasco, perhaps you are familiar with any of the numerous ridiculously expensive freeway extensions/improvements that start decades after initial approval. They end up costing 300-500% of the initial projected costs due to increases in property values and land improvements that they purchase by eminent domain.

I'd bet my left nut we wont have the electrical grid to support an additional 5M EV's in 14 years, much less 15M EV's. I'm not as confident that the environmental nut-jobs will realize we traded slightly polluted air for slightly less polluted air, but contaminated our ground water in the process.

[TimH]

We need to figure out how to do these so they can burn plastic.

It's been done. Too many toxic emissions of various sorts.

[Kazis31]

Daryl.
Your left nut is safe with dumb CA government...lol
Sometimes i wonder how CA is working financially .....

[racerdad2]

California has an initiative for lighter colored roofing materials to help combat global warming. Not required, but encouraged. We all know of the "heat islands" around our major cities because of the concrete, asphalt, etc.

Solar panels get REALLY HOT ! They absorb a lot of infared heat and put it into the surrounding air... Some want to "sprinkle" reflective materials high in the atmosphere to deflect that infared heat away from planet earth to help cool the climate.

Just how much heat will be radiated into our atmosphere by the millions of acres of solar panels being installed ?

And the added bonus of disposing of them after 25 years or so... And disposing of all the wind turbines that are currently being buried because they can't be recycled after their 25 year lifetime is reached...

Small nuclear is very viable. They've been used for decades on our submarines... Hydroelectric to Hydrogen is also viable.

BTW, why don't we have thousands of water turbines generating electricity ? Old fashioned water wheels could even be used...

Back to race engines... I might throw a turbo on my Pinto and see how long it lasts... I'm guessing, not very...

We are living in the Golden era of ICE ! Great milage. Great reliability. Great longevity and Great horsepower.

I have a vintage Reynard with a Vintage Pinto and, I too am "Vintage".

Going to race Vintage this season and have some fun !

Zetecs & Fits are such good engines ! Hoping they remain viable or a long term new generation replacement engine can be found for both of them.

Apparently, the ICE is doomed by regulation... sad... Perhaps bootleg gasoline ? will be a thing ???

[alangbaker]

California has an initiative for lighter colored roofing materials to help combat global warming. Not required, but encouraged. We all know of the "heat islands" around our major cities because of the concrete, asphalt, etc.

Solar panels get REALLY HOT ! They absorb a lot of infared heat and put it into the surrounding air... Some want to "sprinkle" reflective materials high in the atmosphere to deflect that infared heat away from planet earth to help cool the climate.

Just how much heat will be radiated into our atmosphere by the millions of acres of solar panels being installed ?

I think you have a serious misunderstanding of the physics of the situation.

[Terrenzio]

Nuke plant on most seismic land in US.
Another well thought trough idea.
Fukushima tough us nothing.....?..?..?

Fukushima survived the earthquake just fine. The ensuing tsunami generated a water level in excess of the height of the emergency diesel generators resulting in a loss of power to cooling water pumps. Although there was apparently a historical record of this, it was ignored. In the United States nuclear plants are designed around extreme conditions that could exist, earthquakes, floods, winds, etc. However Fukushima did teach the industry to put in place contingencies for events that would be beyond this design basis, so yes it taught us something.

Personally I don't see California making it through all the desired changes to be carbon-free, have electric cars, etc. without nuclear power.

[Daryl DeArman]

Personally I don't see California making it through all the desired changes to be carbon-free, have electric cars, etc. without nuclear power.

Crank up Diablo canyon! We closed San Onofre, why exactly?

[BeerBudgetRacing]

Personally I don't see California making it through all the desired changes to be carbon-free, have electric cars, etc. without nuclear power.

And this from someone living in the siren zone of an operating plant.

Our current decommissioning efforts are just like the environmentalists pushing plastic bags to save trees 40 years ago.
Remember paper bags, glass milk and soda bottles? It was money to me!

Someday they will realize it was short sited.

[BeerBudgetRacing]

Crank up Diablo canyon! We closed San Onofre, why exactly?

They bought new reactors from Japan (Mitsu I think) because it was cheaper than GE.
They failed pronto. They decided to just bankrupt it.

[Kazis31]

CA is in for some serious complications with our new regime's immigration policies as well.
It really seams like nobody has any common sense left in politics and government.
CA is marching proudly in front of all of these fools...

P.S.
Lets just wait and see who comes up with what . Tesla , HP and Oracle didn't leave because
of friendly business environment.
and it looks like many will follow them as well.
We''ll end up like Clint Eastwood western.
Desert and tumble weeds...lol

[EYERACE]

If Honda moves on, even with the Fit engine still in some of the cars, can the Class eventually go back to being called Formula Ford ??

[OneWayOut]

I'd love to drive my car with a nice K20 in it.

And since the K20 kit is only $9k compared to the $17k Fit conversion (that probably won't exist anymore), it seems like a logical choice.

Let Honda sell just a generic kit (for a tried and true, well known motor), and let a racing company produce the specific adapter, input shaft, and intake/exhaust needed for FF racing conversion.