Crawford FL 15 vs Swift 016 or Ralt RT 41

[Dee]

Hi Folks, Does anyone have any info on the performance of the Crawford , compared to the Swift and Ralt what is the Honda engine life, general pro and cons
Thanks,
Dee

[bill gillespie]

Hi Folks, Does anyone have any info on the performance of the Crawford , compared to the Swift and Ralt what is the Honda engine life, general pro and cons
Thanks,
Dee

Dee,
Is the Crawford FL15 the same as the F3 Americas car ?

[Dee]

as far as i know yes

[SOseth]

Dee,
Is the Crawford FL15 the same as the F3 Americas car ?

it’s a completely different car.

SteveO

[Lotus7]

To help quantify pros and cons, perhaps outline what your plans are.
My first concern would be "what would you do with the FL15?"

[Kazis31]

Fl 15 is not F3 americas.
USF4 in Honda K 20 engine
USF3 is Honda K20 engine turbo charged
FL 15 is honda K24 engine.

all have Gems paddle **** system
USF cars have Sadiev sequentil box
FL has FTR 201

honda rules reliability .sorry haters.

[bill gillespie]

Fl 15 is not F3 americas.
USF4 in Honda K 20 engine
USF3 is Honda K20 engine turbo charged
FL 15 is honda K24 engine.

all have Gems paddle **** system
USF cars have Sadiev sequentil box
FL has FTR 201

honda rules reliability .sorry haters.

I think the FL15 has nowhere to race except SCCA regional FS....

[Kazis31]

correct or
may be new formula X.
very well build and reliable car .
My lola has all FL trimmings.
wings,engine ,gearbox and padleshifter system and chassis harness.
i love that thing.

[Kazis31]

speed wise
Swift 016
Ralt 41
FL15

Atlantics are still tunnel cars .no beating that.

[Dee]

Thanks all for the info, I've been driving a RT41 for the past 8 years , I'am just looking for a change
I plan on running with SVRA nationwide The three goals are safety ,speed and engine life.
Thanks Again,
Dee

[bill gillespie]

Thanks all for the info, I've been driving a RT41 for the past 8 years , I'am just looking for a change
I plan on running with SVRA nationwide The three goals are safety ,speed and engine life.
Thanks Again,
Dee

Swft 016 is legal for SVRA..:
A+ for speed
A+ for safety
B+ for parts supply
C for engine life...

[Kazis31]

FL 15
engine life according to Honda
and comparing to 5 seasons of USF4 (k 20 engine)K24 has more mid torque.
6000 to 8000 miles before top end
bottom unknown..too new of an application.
Safety FIA F3 standards so very good.
Speed equal well prepped pro mazda
Paddles shifters ,pneumatic ,bulletproof.

[Lotus7]

When the FL15 came out, it ran slightly better than F2000 lap times for slightly less than FA costs.
Not sure what the asking price for one would be these days with no seriously competitive place to run it, but as you already have an RT 41, why step down?
Gillespie's 016 is currently the best car in the country for sale, buy it if you can afford it, and dominate the runoffs.

[Kazis31]

around 65k for clean one.

[GAR]

We ran in the Formula Lites Series with 2 cars full time and were heavily involved from start to finish. Since then we have also been re selling alot of the cars as well.

The series only ran in 2015 and the cars were fantastic except for issues with the engine mapping making the cars lack alot of straightline speed. Going into 2016 that got fixed but sadly notbody got to see it. We personally are the ones who fixed it for HPD and the series so we know all the facts. The cars with the updated engine mapping make 220HP at the rear tire after the update. Note that HP rating is at the tire and not the crank! Before it was only 148HP at the tire. This has had zero effect on reliability. There has been 0 engine rebuilds since 2015 even with all the cars that been sold to club racers/track day guys. We have 2 customers at Thermal who have put extensive miles on there cars and the cars still make max power 5 years later! All of this while running on 91-93 octane pump gas as well, not expensive race fuel!

Its a true shame everything went the way they did with the series because the cars are nothing short of fantastic. Awesome brakes, great aero, paddle shift shift, reliable engines and gearboxs, modern cars up to altest safety spec etc. The paddle shift system is bullet proof and require essentially 0 maintenance. With the paddle shift system it has made the gearboxes bullet proof as well just requiring very simple oil changes. You'll never wear out any dogs or anything due to the perfect auto blip downshifts and no lift shift up shifts. The only issue the car had in the 1 year the series ran was the lack of horsepower, now with that fixed it is absolutely awesome.

The cars are EXTREMELY economical to run and after the horsepower situation was fixed has been most incredibly bang for the buck. All the customers who have bought cars from us have had the same exact reaction. Fast, cheap, modern, safe car. Its the perfect combination of what you are looking for.

All the parts are readily available, zero issue when it comes to that as well. Just this year alone we have help move 4 of these cars. 3 of them to CA and 1 to TX. One of our customers has commented on this thread. Call me and I'll you get a car, 631-974-4379

[Kazis31]

All true.
From personal experience.

[Kazis31]

Only thing in this car Lola is tub and a arms.
Rest if Crawford Fl 15 .engine ,gearbox, CU ,paddle shifters ,wiring harness and front and rear wings.
car is awesome and Jonathan from A group racing is guy to deal with.

straight up and honest.