Boorish Behavior

[Marty Nygard]

I was going to post this link https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files ... 1583423087 and draw attention to the new prohibition on boorish behavior but that in itself would probably be boorish on my part. Thankfully I am no longer a member of the club.
Marty

[John LaRue]

As I understand it, the policy was adopted after some poor behavior entangled the club. It is an unfortunate necessity in this digital world. Back in the day a good punch in the nose would have probably resolved the issue. If everyone behaved, this would not be necessary.

[problemchild]

I was going to post this link https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files ... 1583423087 and draw attention to the new prohibition on boorish behavior but that in itself would probably be boorish on my part. Thankfully I am no longer a member of the club.
Marty

Thanks for the Friday afternoon laugh. That announcement is absolutely hysterical!

Nothing like an old buys club keeping the customers, oh sorry. members in line!

[Jnovak]

I was going to post this link https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files ... 1583423087 and draw attention to the new prohibition on boorish behavior but that in itself would probably be boorish on my part. Thankfully I am no longer a member of the club.
Marty

Marty , that link doesn't work for me can you post the entire link?

[Marty Nygard]

https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files ... 1583423087
is the only link I have. If it doesn't work, I blame it on my technological illiteracy. After all, I still design using pencil-cad!
M

[TimH]

It works for me.

[stonebridge20]

Lol !

[Garey Guzman]

Marty , that link doesn't work for me can you post the entire link?

Jay, that link opens a PDF so if your computer or browser block them or can't handle them, the link won't work. Perhaps the document is available on the SCCA website.

[t walgamuth]

Probably boils back down to insurance. I have no issue with being expected to be polite.

[FVRacer21]

Many people on the board are probably self-employed or work for a small company. In today’s corporate world this is unfortunately pretty standard stuff. The punch in the nose would probably work but violate old SCCA sensibilities. NASCAR on the other hand.... (oops I am in trouble).

chrisz

[Steve Demeter]

Is this for real... Sarcasm is prohibited behavior??? Is the club trying to control our speech???

It is early for April Fools Day.

I guess a lot of the comments on here could get one expelled from the club

[t walgamuth]

Naaaah. It'll only ever come into play when two type A's square off and one feels Pizzed on.

[Bardahl77]

Oh yeah, those rules will really help to cut down on trolls.

Oh crap, that's sarcasm. I'm doomed.

Do they say anything about churlish behavior?

[Offcamber1]

I was just going to change my avatar to this:

[Lotus7]

The idea that the scca believes they are going to police internet civility may be the funniest thing I’ll read this year ????

[Purple Frog]

Funny thing... the Carters have managed with the help of all of us to keep Apexspeed pretty damn civil.

I play on about 7+ forums. Afterall, I have a motorhome (2 forums), I have a Porsche powered Beetle (2 forums), I have a lawn tractor (2 forums), Ford truck (1 Forum)And of course Grassroots Motorsports (with all their code words: Berkeley, E36M3, Canoe, Flounder, Shiny Happy Person, etc.)

I got lectured on one forum (not GRM) for trying to post in Purple and Bold. They don't allow it. I thought it was complete Bull E36M3.
I basically told them they were Shiny Happy people and to Berkeley Off.

[Bardahl77]

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries. Now go away or I will taunt you again.

People are always so brave when they're on a keyboard, where the person they insulted can't poke them in the snot locker. I always try to be as creative as possible so the victim is not sure if they've been insulted or not. Now go get your shine box.

[pacratt]

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries. Now go away or I will taunt you again.

People are always so brave when they're on a keyboard, where the person they insulted can't poke them in the snot locker. I always try to be as creative as possible so the victim is not sure if they've been insulted or not. Now go get your shine box.

Soooo...if she weighs the same as a duck...she's made of wood...and, therefore...

[Michael Rand]

If you read the entire five pages you might well wonder how such as myself weren't ever thrown out of the organization !
Quite a document indeed.
I guess because there was no social media or internet to express sarcasm or rudeness or raised voice or interrupt or embarrass or taunt anyone because we all did it to the extreme in public and to the intendeds face !
I bet I'll be reported soon, and often !

[Rick Kirchner]

As I understand it, the policy was adopted after some poor behavior entangled the club. It is an unfortunate necessity in this digital world. Back in the day a good punch in the nose would have probably resolved the issue. If everyone behaved, this would not be necessary.

The problem at its lowest level, is that our sensibilities have evolved faster than our biology.

Humans respond very well to shame and pain. Now we have decided that shaming people is bad and of course a poke in the nose is battery, even between six year olds. I wonder if bullying has a place rooted in human evolution - that guys try to establish dominance and then weaker guys decide to stand up to it and a leveling takes place. Restrict that in any way and the weak get meeker and the strong get bolder.

I often think that a lot of *******s are like that because they haven't been punched in the nose enough. That can be a metaphor for any type of corrective action that employs a certain amount of shame (cheaters) and pain (fines, etc).

What I can't figure out from the policy is where it is applicable and who is covered.

And just like Froggie, I'm on multiple forums and the Carters have been exemplary at running this site. IRV2 can be a real cesspool at time for instance, and the mods either don't respond or use this global rule on "community Standards" which are so broad there are essentially no rules except in the eye of a particular moderator, and they are terribly inconsistent.

[mmi16]

I was going to post this link https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files ... 1583423087 and draw attention to the new prohibition on boorish behavior but that in itself would probably be boorish on my part. Thankfully I am no longer a member of the club.
Marty

First we kill all the lawyers. That would reduce the membership by about half.

[Purple Frog]

Upon reading of this new standard my first impression was customized to quiet our very own ProblemChild.

[HazelNut]

filthy English kaaaa nihgit!

If you read the entire five pages you might well wonder how such as myself weren't ever thrown out of the organization !
Quite a document indeed.
I guess because there was no social media or internet to express sarcasm or rudeness or raised voice or interrupt or embarrass or taunt anyone because we all did it to the extreme in public and to the intendeds face !
I bet I'll be reported soon, and often !

[BeerBudgetRacing]

If you read the entire five pages you might well wonder how such as myself weren't ever thrown out of the organization !
Quite a document indeed.
I guess because there was no social media or internet to express sarcasm or rudeness or raised voice or interrupt or embarrass or taunt anyone because we all did it to the extreme in public and to the intendeds face !
I bet I'll be reported soon, and often !

In all seriousness...

I think this is purely defensive. Every business should have a policy like this. Apparently, if you don't make a statement against bad behavior you're as good as endorsing it..

Just like every othér bad behavior...

[problemchild]

Upon reading of this new standard my first impression was customized to quiet our very own ProblemChild.

They tried to bankrupt me but I survived. They actually forced me to spend a lot of money make my cars faster.

Despite that, I promote SCCA on Instagram and Facebook, and on the RiceRacePrep.com website which has 382,000 hits, including about 500 per day recently. I brought 15 entries to SCCA events last year.

Who would be arrogant and incompetent enough to target a true racer who was supporting their business? That would be spite and retaliation ...... clearly a violation of SCCA standards, and not very good business.

[Purple Frog]

Rand,
Remember in the pro series you were a benevolent dictator that had "Rule 20" in your bag.

The third letter in SCCA stands for "Club". As a club, if its leadership decides it is against club rules to wear red on Thursdays, then they can enforce that rule. Even to the extent of expulsion from the club.

Now social media has become such a powerful force to be dealt with. Suppose a member starts a nasty media assault directed at other member(s) of the club, and is unrelenting. Without a written standard the club has no way in their power to stop the assault or end the attacker's membership. Now they do. Its a shame it had to come to this, but as Beer Budget posted above, it probably had to be done.

[problemchild]

Of course, any enterprise should have such a policy to deal with employees. Not sure how that applies to paying customers. The hypocrisy is the funny part. That, and like the Runoff qualifying criteria, the policy requires 27 pages to state.

I wonder if they will start with the SCCA guy who was trolling on Apexspeed with an alias.

[John Nesbitt]

Coming late to this conversation, and have not read every last post. I am given to understand that the trigger - if I am allowed to use that word - for this was not our own problemchild, but was in fact the dumpster fire that the SCCA members Facebook page had become. I cannot verify that for certain because I stay far, far away from Facebook, Instagram, etc. For good reason, it seems.

The rule is a lot of words, but it boils down to something fairly simple: You are at perfect liberty to be an asshat, just do not associate that with the SCCA brand. Seems like a pretty reasonable demand. There is nothing in the rule that prevents a member from criticizing Club policies. Just do not descend to libel.

There is actually not a whole lot new here. The policy simply provides some guidance/clarity around the longstanding bylaw rules. See Article II Section 4 Termination, Suspension and Renewal:

"(d) The Board of Directors or the governing body of a Regular Member’s Region may suspend a Member at any time for infraction of any Club rule or any other cause if the suspending body deems the action in the best interests of the Club, ..."

[Thomas Copeland]

When I first read this document I thought it was an attempt at censorship and retaliation against those that speak out. Then I read this on the SCCA website under the news posting: Policy Announced: SCCA Brand Usage in Social Media

The policy does not and is not intended to limit what SCCA members can post in their own social media spaces, although it is preferred that personal social media messages be respectful. The SCCA encourages its Members, Region Leaders, Officials and Volunteers to be champions on behalf of the Club, and social media allows people to do that easily. Members are allowed and urged to share their SCCA experiences and ideas, as well as questions or concerns as they see fit. The language of the policy applies exclusively to the ownership and management of groups, pages, forums and other entities that are titled with “SCCA,” be it on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, forums or other social outlets.

Under this context and if they do indeed intend it to be limited it to what is written on their own branded social media accounts then this is perfectly legit. If they are trying to enforce censorship on other social media sites like this one, then it is not.

After reading some of the above posts I did go briefly on the SCCA sites to see how bad it really was. Guess I must've missed it.

[Raceworks]

Way to reading comprehension fail, guys.

The asshats pitching fits here are, in fact, still free to act like asshats on social media & elsewhere provided that they don't do so in such a way that leads people to believe that such asshattery is the official position of the SCCA.

This message is not approved by the Sports Car Club of America.

[Rick Kirchner]

Way to reading comprehension fail

To be fair to all of us reading-challenged, they did take five pages. I think the navy got it done in less than two....

[stonebridge20]

Way to reading comprehension fail, guys.

The asshats pitching fits here are, in fact, still free to act like asshats

Thank God !

I had no idea what I was going to do with my spare time.