Small but good sample. I appreciate the thoughts. Time to be gentlemen and move on.
Hypothetical incident
Small but good sample. I appreciate the thoughts. Time to be gentlemen and move on.
Last edited by jrh3; 01.13.20 at 11:53 AM.
Both cars pay for their own damage. This is a racing incident. We all put our cars on track knowing we take full responsibility
Cheers
Len
Porsche River Oaks. Houston
Depends on the organization. In some, the trailing car is always responsible to avoid the first no matter how difficult that may be. On the street the cop's citation would say he was following too closely. If I was the lead car I hope I'd more likely think "racing incident."
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Racing incident. Things happen, you have to expect that occasionally. As SuperChicken used to say, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it."
Racing incident, or also, trailing car at fault. Assuming same car types and performance levels, it is possible that the trailing car was also just as loose as the lead car and lost it as well.
Originally Posted by 10rmotor
I disagree; We are SUPPOSED to be on the limit in corners [or else, why are we out there? ], and that percludes sudden braking or manuvering in corners. We enter corners nose-to-tail all the time. It's called racing. It's a racing incident, but if fault is to be placed, it would be on the guy who lost it first, as he caused the other to crash. I was involved in this same scenario with Adrian once, and I was the one in the lead, and the one who caused the crash. I spun, and he had nowhere to go. I felt terrible. Adrian wouldn't let me pay, because 1] He's a gentleman, 2] He's a racer, and knows it could just as easily been him and 3] IT'S A RACING INCIDENT. It's gonna happen every once in a while. If you can't deal with racing incidents, don't race! [If the second guy entered the corner way too fast, lost it and took out the guy ahead, then it would be the second guy's fault. That level of mis-judgement might be more than a racing incident, but that would depend on a lot of things, such as the driver's prior behavior, how much he mis-judged it, other cars / line of vision, etc.]
Jim
Swift DB-1
Talent usually ends up in front, but fun goes from the front of the grid all the way to the back.
Is this is, like, an SCCA Club Racing race? if yes, 100% racing incident, lead driver's fault (if it was described accurately above)..
If not, please tell us more about the series/event.
Racer Russ
Palm Coast, FL
Neither guy will be happy in this situation, but even though the lead car driver was stupid, racing incident.
Lead car wants reimbursement? Really? Even if the trailing car was 100% in the wrong, you don't get "reimbursement". You get "experience"......
I'd like to eat candy and **** gold bricks, but it is unlikely to happen........................
best,
bt
Lead car misses braking point that puts nobody paying attention at risk.
Following car misses braking point and punts someone off.
Trailing car's fault, 100%. If I was so tunnel-visioned as to be the second car, I'd apologize and pay up.
I've long found the term "racing accident" to be used completely out of context when convenient to letting ego out-think fair play. Admit it, you screwed up.
Emmo and Junior at Indy in '89? Racing accident.
Senna into Prost at Japan? Get a rope.
Last edited by E1pix; 01.13.20 at 2:32 AM.
Let’s assume cars have been racing for several laps. Trailing car comfortable with leading car through turn. On that lap leading car mismatches down shift, over brakes (brake check?) misses turn in, whatever. Second car clips first. Racing incident. Trailing car learns next time not to trust leading car.
if trailing car is much faster than leading car and underestimates speed and runs into back of leading car.... this would be the only time I could assign blame to trailing car. Of course the trailing car also could have missed braking point, been distracted by other cars/mechanical issues etc. Trailing car to blame.
Unless you are in a series with defined damage handling (like a school series) I think the concept of demanding compensation though is wrong and starts a dangerous precedent. What about the person who mismatches a shift, blows and engine and oils down the track causing crashes? Or some on who spins and two other cars crash avoiding the first?
Where is the umpire?
ChrisZ
Each driver fixes their own car and get ready for the next session.
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Last edited by marshall9; 01.13.20 at 11:48 AM.
Oh Please..... If we start down the rabbit hole of responsibility, we might as well all bring our lawyers to the track as well.....what a bunch snowflakes that think this is a good idea....grow a pair!
(Deleted post. I see the OP has edited his original post and moved on.)
Racer Russ
Palm Coast, FL
Yeah, little wonder, 29 minutes after this beauty...
It was just a simple scenario discussion that makes people think -- and maybe even care about other people's stuff.
Don't like it? Then move on. Simple.
Some of you guys have forgotten how to have fun.
Last edited by E1pix; 01.13.20 at 1:10 PM.
You mean like my Super Dave Osborne memorial helmet decorations? (I need to get a pic of that).
Not nomex, but...
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Where's the tether go?
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