Griiip - First USA Race - First USA Win!

[tamir5005]

Griiip - First USA Race - First USA Win!
G1 drivers came in 1st and 2nd places in Race 1 and won 1st place OVERALL in Race 2 in the Hoosier Tire "Polar Prix" Super Tour, February 8-10. To crown the achievement, we earned a new COTA F1000 lap record!






In collaboration with AF1-Racing, the owner of two G1 race cars, we competed at the Hoosier Tire "Polar Prix" Super Tour with drivers Yarin Stern from Israel and Miguel Matos from Portugal.
The action started on Friday, February 8 with a practice session, followed by a qualifying session in freezing weather. In the practice session, Miguel drove the best lap and a new Formula 1000 lap record at COTA - 2:07.7!


On board with Miguel Matos setting the new F1000 lap record.

In the qualifying session, Yarin Stern clocked 2:09.2 mins, giving him pole position for the category and P5 overall. Miguel Matos finished P2 in the category and P9 overall.

On Saturday, the second qualifying session was held on a wet track, where Miguel and Yarin clocked 2:22.8 and 2:24.4, earning them P1 and P2 respectively.

Later on Saturday, Race 1 took place on a dry (but very cold) track. Yarin and Miguel displayed impressive driving skills and came home in P1 and P2 respectively for the category, and in P5 and P11 overall. They were racing against 36 other cars, some from higher performance categories, including Formula Atlantic, which clocked laps 6-8 second faster than the G1's cars. That put the G1 drivers' achievements in an even better light.



Yarin Stern flying through the corners of COTA

Race 2 was held on a wet Sunday. Yarin started in P5 but managed to overtake 3 cars on the first corner, putting him in P2. A few laps later, he was neck-and-neck in a battle with the race leader, eventually managing to snatch the lead. From that moment Yarin led the race all the way to the finish line, coming home in P1 OVERALL! It was an unforgettable driving display as he overtook a number of back-markers.

In the second G1 car, Miguel displayed a similarly unforgettable show of driving skills. He started in P11, and after only a few laps was already in P3 overall! But he suffered from a bent pushrod after a car collided with him on the first corner, and so had to retire after 5 laps.


The two G1 winning cars

[jchracer]

Were these cars run in an FB rules compliant configuration?

[Daryl DeArman]

On edit :Never mind. I see there were only 2 FB cars entered, so my previous comment is irrelevant.

[Lotus7]

Was this the car's first official scca outing?

[jaltaman]

Nice lap time for sure. What engine is in that car?

Revving a bit higher than an '08 GSX-R1000. Note the bumping off the rev limiter on the straight at 14k RPM.

[tamir5005]

Were these cars run in an FB rules compliant configuration?

Yes, completely compliant.

[tamir5005]

Nice lap time for sure. What engine is in that car?

Revving a bit higher than an '08 GSX-R1000. Note the bumping off the rev limiter on the straight at 14k RPM.

The engine is the 2019 Aprilia RSV4 engine. 1000cc, V4, 205 HP.

https://www.aprilia.com/us_EN/news/2...the-G1-series/

[tamir5005]

Was this the car's first official scca outing?

Yes! Now we are looking for drivers and teams to purchase these 2 cars (and more cars) to race in the NAF1000 and other racing series is the states.

[Stan Clayton]

Well done, Tamir...congrats to Team Griiip!

[david oleary]

Wondering how the engine could be legal in FB or F1000
when it should have been Dynoed and approved by SCCA?

I do feel that if FB becomes part of FA in 2020 that this motor
is closer to the HP needed to race in FA, but if this is the future of the
FB cars going to FA then SCCA will have to let the older FB cars
build motors to compete in FA, maybe use the P2 built engine rules.

There is no way that a STOCK 1000 motor will be able to compete in FA
with out either using a motor like this ONE or to open the rules for built 1000 motors.

[RussMcB]

Wondering how the engine could be legal in FB or F1000
when it should have been Dynoed and approved by SCCA?

Didn't they change the rule to say "May be required"?

I'm too lazy to look it up, but saw that mentioned in another FB thread.

[Daryl DeArman]

Wondering how the engine could be legal in FB or F1000
when it should have been Dynoed and approved by SCCA?

<snip>

There is not way that a STOCK 1000 motor will be able to compete in FA
with out either using a motor like this ONE or to open the rules for built 1000 motors.

Rule didn't say that new motors must be dyno'd prior to approval, the rule stated that engines newer than 2014 may be required to supply dyno prior to approval.

The new rules (FA spec line) state "Dec 2018 GCR FB" rules apply except that throttle bodies and ECU are unrestricted.

[Stan Clayton]

Wondering how the engine could be legal in FB or F1000
when it should have been Dynoed and approved by SCCA?

I do feel that if FB becomes part of FA in 2020 that this motor
is closer to the HP needed to race in FA, but if this is the future of the
FB cars going to FA then SCCA will have to let the older FB cars
build motors to compete in FA, maybe use the P2 built engine rules.

There is not way that a STOCK 1000 motor will be able to compete in FA
with out either using a motor like this ONE or to open the rules for built 1000 motors.

Which is why when I proposed last October to merge FB into FA that FBs be permitted built 1 liter engines at 1000 lbs, or P2-spec 1342cc Hayabusas at 1100 lbs.

[david oleary]

If scca opens the engine rules for FB going into FA in 2020 it might
help FA with better numbers also, you have older Pro Mazda's in FA now
and if FB comes in it should build up FA numbers. Because of the cost
of a true FA a lot of FA drivers parked their cars, but no FB owners will come if the engine
rules don't change in FB to help with the HP difference.

[Imperial griiip G1]

Griiip - First USA Race - First USA Win!
G1 drivers came in 1st and 2nd places in Race 1 and won 1st place OVERALL in Race 2 in the Hoosier Tire "Polar Prix" Super Tour, February 8-10. To crown the achievement, we earned a new COTA F1000 lap record!






In collaboration with AF1-Racing, the owner of two G1 race cars, we competed at the Hoosier Tire "Polar Prix" Super Tour with drivers Yarin Stern from Israel and Miguel Matos from Portugal.
The action started on Friday, February 8 with a practice session, followed by a qualifying session in freezing weather. In the practice session, Miguel drove the best lap and a new Formula 1000 lap record at COTA - 2:07.7!


On board with Miguel Matos setting the new F1000 lap record.

In the qualifying session, Yarin Stern clocked 2:09.2 mins, giving him pole position for the category and P5 overall. Miguel Matos finished P2 in the category and P9 overall.

On Saturday, the second qualifying session was held on a wet track, where Miguel and Yarin clocked 2:22.8 and 2:24.4, earning them P1 and P2 respectively.

Later on Saturday, Race 1 took place on a dry (but very cold) track. Yarin and Miguel displayed impressive driving skills and came home in P1 and P2 respectively for the category, and in P5 and P11 overall. They were racing against 36 other cars, some from higher performance categories, including Formula Atlantic, which clocked laps 6-8 second faster than the G1's cars. That put the G1 drivers' achievements in an even better light.



Yarin Stern flying through the corners of COTA

Race 2 was held on a wet Sunday. Yarin started in P5 but managed to overtake 3 cars on the first corner, putting him in P2. A few laps later, he was neck-and-neck in a battle with the race leader, eventually managing to snatch the lead. From that moment Yarin led the race all the way to the finish line, coming home in P1 OVERALL! It was an unforgettable driving display as he overtook a number of back-markers.

In the second G1 car, Miguel displayed a similarly unforgettable show of driving skills. He started in P11, and after only a few laps was already in P3 overall! But he suffered from a bent pushrod after a car collided with him on the first corner, and so had to retire after 5 laps.


The two G1 winning cars

Congrats man the car really kicks ass! Thanks again for having us around this weekend. I can't wait till we get our cars....

[teddale]

I thought lap records were set in the race not Practice.

[Lotus7]

I thought lap records were set in the race not Practice.

data published 2/27/2019 shows the record from 2013 is still current; not sure of update frequency

[RussMcB]

data published 2/27/2019 ... <snip>

Published where? (just curious).

Maybe on the bottom of the paper time sheet?

I searched briefly online. Didn't find anything. COTA results*, but no mentions of lap records.

Thanks.


* https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6588341

[teddale]

Actuly now i think about it. I was watching the live timing that weekend. There fastest time was (correct me if I'm wrong) was in Q1. at a 2.09.245. so where do you get this 2.07 time from. was it from the test day with Alex Mayer. So in that case your just feeding us a bunch of bull S--T

[Daryl DeArman]

Actuly now i think about it. I was watching the live timing that weekend. There fastest time was (correct me if I'm wrong) was in Q1. at a 2.09.245. so where do you get this 2.07 time from. was it from the test day with Alex Mayer. So in that case your just feeding us a bunch of bull S--T

The 2:07.7 lap is from the on-board video linked above. No idea what session, but if that's a 2:07.7, I'd suggest that car's capable of a high 2:05 with somebody with a good amount of COTA knowledge and seat time in a FB car.

[stonebridge20]

Add the correct gear, some stiffer throttle return springs and that thing should really rip !

[teddale]

The 2:07.7 lap is from the on-board video linked above. No idea what session, but if that's a 2:07.7, I'd suggest that car's capable of a high 2:05 with somebody with a good amount of COTA knowledge and seat time in a FB car.

I'm capable of running a marathon but i cant

[Daryl DeArman]

I'm capable of running a marathon but i cant

Then you aren't capable.

Watch the video of the 2:07.7 lap. There is clearly several instances where time is left on the table. Doesn't matter if 99% of us watching it couldn't do any better. The car is faster than a 2:07.7, by at least 2 seconds. Dropping some teeth on the rear sprocket and keeping the drivers' right foot/accelerator pedal bond are changes to the car worth more time as well.

[teddale]

What I'm saying is its not a lap record. Yes its a fast time but still not a record. we did 2.08s in practice but that's not the lap record. And yes they did get first and second seeing they were he only two there.

[marshall9]

What I'm saying is its not a lap record. Yes its a fast time but still not a record. we did 2.08s in practice but that's not the lap record. And yes they did get first and second seeing they were he only two there.

Who cares? They ran. Better than keyboard critics. I am glad they came out and had fun.

[Daryl DeArman]

Who cares? They ran. Better than keyboard critics. I am glad they came out and had fun.

. . . and nobody-else showed up to race them, or throw paper at them. Obviously the P1, P2 and Lap record stuff has some marketing slant, but it's true they did finish P1, P2 in class and turned a faster lap at COTA than any other FB/F1000 has done.

[Zcurves]

They can’t change sprockets because it’s a shaft drive. I think their drivers are talented and the car has potential. It’s too bad they were the only cars in class. I’d love to see how the G1 stacks up against other top cars in the US.

[Bob Wright]

Bring them to the F1000 FRP race at Road Atlanta April 18-20. There will be some competition to compare.

[Thomas Copeland]

Don't know if this is true or not but someone told me last year the Aprilia motor might be available as a crate motor? Anyone know if this is true or not?

[Daryl DeArman]

Call AF1 in Austin, TX. They are the largest volume Aprilia dealership in the USA and claim to do more Aprilia parts sales than all other US Aprilia dealerships combined. They should know if the particular model engine you are thinking of is available as a "crate" motor.

[J Leonard]

Don't know if this is true or not but someone told me last year the Aprilia motor might be available as a crate motor? Anyone know if this is true or not?

P/N CM2656035 $10,026,61 Available in 5 to 7 days.

[99sh]

P/N CM2656035 $10,026,61 Available in 5 to 7 days.

All we need now is an ECU to work in this application.

[Jnovak]

I am impressed and curious.

1. Is there a USA dealer yet?
2. What ecu are they using?

[reidhazelton]

Ok, how do you pronounce the name? What's with all the i's? Did the key on the keyboard get stuck? Significance?

Is it "Grih-ih-ih-p" or 'Grihhhp'? Two vowels go walking, first does the talking "Gr-eye-ih-ih-p"?

I'm so confused.

But really, way cool engine. $10k is crazy spicy, but still super cool. I hope they run them at more races, and given the state of open wheel racing it's exciting when new cars pop up. It's going to become a less common occurrence as time goes on so enjoy it while we can. Props to them for getting a car on track.

[Daryl DeArman]

P/N CM2656035 $10,026,61 Available in 5 to 7 days.

If someone is really interested in this engine, I inspected a 0-mile '17 RSV4 RF bike awhile back that was damaged in transit. There was suspected chassis damage so I don't believe they were planning on ever being able to sell the bike with title. The engine was unblemished as well as lot of other bits and pieces.

My photos are no-longer archived, so I can't help there. I can reach out to the consignee and find out the current claim status to see if bike exists and is still available.

A similar bike with the same engine is the RR model, the RR stickers for only $7K more than the crate engine. Probably much cheaper to just buy the whole bike with electronics and part out all the other bits. Might take a long time though, not exactly a high volume unit.

Shoot me a PM if you have a real interest.



<<<<< On edit >>>>>>>

The bike is MIA. After a PM I did some digging attempting to locate the bike. Trucking company doesn't have it. Dealership claims no recollection. Very, very odd.

[J Leonard]

I am impressed and curious.

1. Is there a USA dealer yet?
2. What ecu are they using?

Dealer looks like AF1 Austin TX
Aprilia ECU? Easy for Aprilia to re-write the programming not so easy for one of us. And ECU would have safeguards against copying most likely.

[R. Pare]

You can buy an unlocked ECU from Aprillia.

[Daryl DeArman]

I am impressed and curious.

1. Is there a USA dealer yet?
2. What ecu are they using?

Dealer looks like AF1 Austin TX
Aprilia ECU? Easy for Aprilia to re-write the programming not so easy for one of us. And ECU would have safeguards against copying most likely.

USA dealer for the chassis or Aprilia?

Aprilia has close to 100 dealerships in the USA, with AF1 in Austin being the largest volume.

[Jnovak]

What I'm saying is its not a lap record. Yes its a fast time but still not a record. we did 2.08s in practice but that's not the lap record. And yes they did get first and second seeing they were he only two there.

i know that this is just a technical issue, but in the SCCA a lap record can only occur during a race. That is just the rules. So no matter how fast you go in any session, other than a race, it is not considered a lap record

I have no doubt that the Griiip can break the existing lap record. In decent race conditions!

[Jnovak]

USA dealer for the chassis or Aprilia?

Aprilia has close to 100 dealerships in the USA, with AF1 in Austin being the largest volume.

i meant a dealer for the CAR!