Open Wheel World Challenge event is now open!

[gbilawsky]

Good day all,

Rick Parent of SVRA has personally reached out to me and asked me to offer his apologies to Apex Speed readers for not posting a timely response. For an unknown reason, he has been unable to post or respond to PMs on the site. He would very much appreciate the Administrator looking into it for him.

While this is being sorted he has asked that everyone email him directly with questions or comments at rick@svra.com.

As to my question:

The F1600 Series and F2000 Series organizers have requested that SVRA provide them a dedicated run group in the Open Wheel World Challenge. It is too early to determine if the number of entrants from those series will support the segregation of their field and scoring from the other FF classes.

Again, until the site glitch is remedied, please contact Rick directly with questions or comments on the Open Wheel Challenge or other SVRA related topics.

[Pop Chevy]

I see there is now a provisional schedule out for this event. I am disappointed there is no oval time on the schedule and I see the same thing for the Invitational race also..Oh well , I got to do it once.

[Rick Parent]

I'm back, thanks Doug.

I will try and answer all the unanswered questions or comments.

I see there is now a provisional schedule out for this event. I am disappointed there is no oval time on the schedule and I see the same thing for the Invitational race also..Oh well , I got to do it once.

There will be an Oval drive around to earn bragging rights, there are very few people who can say they have driven a race car on this iconic track, it will not be a 200mph scare yourself session.

[Rick Parent]

Looks that way and it appears they'll charge your credit card immediately as
it doesn't mention charging your card closer to the event?

Your Credit card will be charged at the time of entry.

Wonder if I could transfer my entry to someone else later if needed. That would make signing up now, with so few details, a lot easier.

Sorry you may not transfer your entry to someone else.

Please see the event cancellation policy here http://www.svra.com/website-terms/

Also, is it correct that any non-SVRA member (i.e SCCA license holder) is required to complete the Driver Orientation Program on Thursday for an additional $425? That doesn't sound right to me, especially from the description below for people from other organizations that have years of racing experience.

From the SVRA website "In addition, the DOP session will cover the basics of road course racing to include subjects such as braking, passing, the line, turn-in, apex and track-out points. The session will concentrate on the particular track that will be used for the event weekend. Class room sessions are alternated with on-track sessions and individual feedback will be offered. The DOP normally finishes the day with participation in practice starts."

Chris

DOP is not mandatory for this event.

Good gig!

No schedule.
No posted race groupings.
No entry list.
Non refundable or transferable fee.
Threat of sell-out.

It's like waiting for a new Apple product.

Wait no longer

Test Day Schedule http://www.svra.com/wp-content/uploa...y-Schedule.pdf

Provisional Schedule http://www.svra.com/wp-content/uploa...e-Schedule.pdf

Participant Guidelines http://www.svra.com/wp-content/uploa...uidelines-.pdf

FF Participant Guidelines http://www.svra.com/wp-content/uploa...Guidelines.pdf

and just where is the San Francisco of the south???

Asheville NC, no idea why they call it that and, who are "they" anyhow?

Any other questions while I'm at it??

[Garry Sharp]

It says SCCA: Pro, Majors and Vintage licenses accepted. What about "Full Competition".

[Pop Chevy]

Thank you Rick. I'll call and get it set up. Pops

[Lotus7]

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[Rick Parent]

It says SCCA: Pro, Majors and Vintage licenses accepted. What about "Full Competition".

As long as it is current the answer is yes, I like easy!

[dsmithwc04]

No possibility have making the test day just one day?

[JerryH]

What is the entry fee, test day cost, and garage rental?

[dsmithwc04]

What is the entry fee, test day cost, and garage rental?

First post has link.

Or go to svra.com

[Chris Elwell]

Hi Scott,

Yes, its time for a new tether, thanks for being proactive, maybe Santa will put one in your stocking?

Happy Holidays!

Does SVRA require just the tether to be 5 years old or less, or does both the tether and the SFI certification sticker need to be 5 years old or less? My tether is from 2012 and the SFI manufacture sticker is January 2012.

Thanks,

Chris

[Rick Parent]

Does SVRA require just the tether to be 5 years old or less, or does both the tether and the SFI certification sticker need to be 5 years old or less? My tether is from 2012 and the SFI manufacture sticker is January 2012.

Thanks,

Chris

Hi Chris,

When the certification center updates your device they give you a new SFI sticker along with the tether and what ever else they do.

Less than 5% of the Hans devices we have seen have an FIA sticker on the them, the recert shops will not replace the FIA sticker or add an SFI sticker for whatever reason but they will service the tethers and other parts. We have even seen a couple with both the FIA and SFI stickers on them, I hope the manufactures can all get on the same page someday.

[EVT]

Rick, I have a 70' Titan. If I meet weight and slap on my steel wheel, can I run in HFF and monopostal class? EVT

[Chris Elwell]

Hi Chris,

When the certification center updates your device they give you a new SFI sticker along with the tether and what ever else they do.

Less than 5% of the Hans devices we have seen have an FIA sticker on the them, the recert shops will not replace the FIA sticker or add an SFI sticker for whatever reason but they will service the tethers and other parts. We have even seen a couple with both the FIA and SFI stickers on them, I hope the manufactures can all get on the same page someday.

Rick,

My HANS has a FIA sticker, as well as a SFI sticker from January 2012. I'm still confused on what the requirement is. Do I need a new SFI sticker, because my current sticker is now exactly 5 years old?

Also my tether is from 2012, is the requirement to have a 2013 or newer tether to race this year, or would a 2012 tether be allowed this year?

Thanks,

Chris

[Rick Parent]

Rick, I have a 70' Titan. If I meet weight and slap on my steel wheel, can I run in HFF and monopostal class? EVT

Fast Eddie, I like it!

Group 6 HFF and CFF must have Monoposto approval, you may contact them for the answer.

http://www.monoposto.com/

travis@engen.net.

[Rick Parent]

Rick,

My HANS has a FIA sticker, as well as a SFI sticker from January 2012. I'm still confused on what the requirement is. Do I need a new SFI sticker, because my current sticker is now exactly 5 years old?

Also my tether is from 2012, is the requirement to have a 2013 or newer tether to race this year, or would a 2012 tether be allowed this year?

Thanks,

Chris

Hi Chris,

The easy answer is yes, it's time to get it recertified.

Don't you hate when you ask what time it is, and the guy tells you how to build a clock

[TimH]

I bought and installed a 2016 SFI-labeled tether. Do I have to send the whole device off somewhere (and lose the use of it) because the FIA and SFI stickers are old?

[Garry Sharp]

That's my question too. What does "re-certified" mean? I was just planning on buying new tethers and putting them on the device. Will that work?

[Rick Parent]

That's my question too. What does "re-certified" mean? I was just planning on buying new tethers and putting them on the device. Will that work?

Heres some answers for you.

http://winecountrymotorsports.com/ha...tification.php

https://www.cscracing.com/node/95

http://www.krjraceproducts.com/services/default.aspx

http://hansdevice.com/Recertify.html

[TimH]

Hey Rick,

That's not quite an answer. Does an FIA sticker expire? All your links are about SFI, which seems determined to punish early adopters of the HANS.

[kea]

At this time, the FIA certs do not expire on your H&N device.

[Chris Elwell]

It's a simple question. What does SVRA require? An updated tether, updated SFI sticker, or both? I don't see any rules about it on the SVRA website.

[DanW]

At this time, the FIA certs do not expire on your H&N device.

In addition, neither SCCA nor NASA require recertification of a H&N device.

[Rick Parent]

Hey Rick,

That's not quite an answer. Does an FIA sticker expire? All your links are about SFI, which seems determined to punish early adopters of the HANS.

At this time, the FIA certs do not expire on your H&N device.

The FIA and SFI certification process is different, the FIA does a sled test and SFI does a pull test. These are exactly the same devices with different testing methods. According to Simpson the actual device until flawed is good indefinitely. For devices with an FIA sticker only; the tethers are dated and must be less than 5 years old.

It's a simple question. What does SVRA require? An updated tether, updated SFI sticker, or both? I don't see any rules about it on the SVRA website.

SVRA requirements;

For devices with no stickers, SFI stickers or SFI plus FIA stickers the device must be sent to and authorized repair facility to be recertified. the sticker and the tether must be less than 5 years old.

If you have a device with an FIA sticker only, please make sure the tethers are not more than 5 years old.

[TimH]

If you have a device with an FIA sticker only, please make sure the tethers are not more than 5 years old.

So I'm OK if I remove the SFI sticker and leave the FIA one, but not OK if I leave the SFI on? My tethers are brand new dated 2016.

[Scott Dick]

Hey Rick, Can you answer Tim H question please.
Thanks

[AVR_Shane]

I have a question regarding the test days. Is it possible to register for just one of the two days? I can't make the Wednesday, and I don't particularly want to spend $295 for 30min of testing time.

[Rick Kirchner]

This re-cert requirement is one of those things that really frosts real racers (and engineers).

So has anyone found any real REQUIREMENTS for the re-cert process - other than paying a vendor for the privilege of putting a sticker on and paying those bandits at SFI for a sticker? Something that defines what the re-cert process is? Does anyone think that any of these shops have a pull test machine for all these different style devices, or for that matter an x-ray? What kind of inspection, other than visual, could be done, and why would that require a sticker if you can just do a visual at any time?

I bet not. I bet the guy just looks at your device and puts a sticker on it. Anything these guys do in the store "while you wait" can be done by tech in-line, without $50 worth of shipping and the payola to SFI.

I get the tether requirement, sort of. There's at least a small amount of evidence on the ageing of webbing and you can actually visually look at fraying.

People wonder why folks are walking way from this sport. It's death by a thousand cuts. It's not just the money, it's showing up at events and finding out you missed some obscure item that no other club requires, and then the scramble to find a way to correct it.

[Rick Kirchner]

In addition, neither SCCA nor NASA require recertification of a H&N device.

Nor does VARA, who runs events in conjunction with SVRA on the west coast.

[Garry Sharp]

Rick,

Has the track configuration been decided on? Hopefully it's one in iRacing.

Thanks,
Garry

[Diamond Level Motorsports]

Last year they ran the same configuration as SCCA will be running for this years runoffs.

I would expect the same this year.

It is very close to the I racing configuration.

[Rick Parent]

Rick,

Has the track configuration been decided on? Hopefully it's one in iRacing.

Thanks,
Garry

Hi Garry,

We will be running the same course as last year, I have just asked our IT guy to upload a track map to the OWWC event page on the Website, it should be there today or tomorrow.

All the best!

[chrisH]

FYI, I went and had my HANS recertified.

MY SFI sticker manufacture date was 10/2010 and my tether date is 2015. The tethers did not need replaced, as they were less than 5 years old. My SFI sticker was replaced and changed from Manufactured 10/2010 to Recertified 2/2017. I have an FIA sticker and it appears untouched.

Very easy process. I sent it to Ken at KRJ Race Products. I shipped it out last Monday and got it back today. Only $25+shipping and I know its good to go. Ken was very friendly and cleaned the HANS for me as well.

[CGOffroad]

Just looking over schedule and track configuration on SVRA website. What are TOP Participants ?

[B Farnham]

My question is has anyone had their HANS fail an inspection? If the answer is no then again what is the point?

[Rick Parent]

Just looking over schedule and track configuration on SVRA website. What are TOP Participants ?

TOP = Track Orientation Program.

It is just like test day except there is classroom instruction and a drive around in a van with an instructor, they will cover the nuances of the track and its configuration and answer any questions you may have concerning how to get around the track. It can be very helpful in getting up to speed quickly for those who are not familiar with the course.

[Rick Parent]

Update;

The Open Wheel Event is 104 days away and we have 102 cars entered at this point (see the group numbers below).

The Test Day numbers are more than double what we normally experience and I would imagine by the time we hit 200-225 cars the test day spots will be full.

We have been coordinating with many of our international friends to bring in a crane to offload the containers that are coming all at the same time, if you need assistance with a container please contact alex@svra.com. I won't be surprised by the time the event rolls around to see over 50 cars entered from outside the US, none of which are part of the current car count.

Groups;

1) 18
2) 5
3) 12
4) 14
5) 12
6) 5
7) 5
8) 0
9) 12
10) 12
11) 7

[Kim291]

Hi Rick

Do you have an update on the entries for this event?

[Rick Parent]

75 days to go.

We will be having a welcome party on Thursday evening at the Indy Podium which is a very special place, you may go onto the yard of bricks for photos doing the traditional kissing of the bricks if you are so inclined. It is the perfect place for a meet and greet with your fellow competitors.

Between our international friends, Formula Race Promotions and F4 there are about 85 cars committed but not counted on the entry list at this time. At this point we have 130 cars registered, you can see the breakdown below. We have a total of 54 FF's entered between the FF 5 groups.

1) 23
2) 8
3) 15
4) 16
5) 15
6) 7
7) 6
8) 0
9) 19
10) 14
11) 7