New USF2000 & Pro Mazda car rendering

[kflyer]

Looks pretty good! I attended the winter series meeting at PRI and the price point on both cars is going to be reasonable.

http://www.racer.com/road-to-indy/it...a#!unnamed__3_

[Kazis31]

Missed price point....?

How much for usf2000
and how much for Pro Mazda>?

[kflyer]

Missed price point....?

How much for usf2000
and how much for Pro Mazda>?

52k for the usf2000 + engine-wheels-dampers

10k more for the Pro Mazda

[Kazis31]

Not too shabby!!

[Steve Bamford]

What's the weight going to be? Hard to tell but this looks similar to the F4 which has a lot more drag then the current USF2000 car. Keeping same engine package will that slow the cars down overall compared to existing VD models?

[marshall9]

Very nice looking car !

[ccoffin]

Since the engine package for usf2000 is being kept the same does that mean their are going to be a substantial amount of sliders for sale next fall? No need to worry about MZR "equalization" into FC? Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere already and I'm just late to the show.

[kflyer]

http://www.motorsport.com/usf2000/ne...n-june-673286/

[FrankRizzo]

$51K? I assume that's WITHOUT the engine? If that's WITH, then we're living in a GREAT time to be a bunch of club racers. As, IMHO, when these cars "filter down" to the club scene, they should be cheap(er), and still be some real kick-ass hardware.

[mousecatcher]

That's without engine. And even in 2016, sorry but you still get what you pay for. A $50k formula car is full of compromises. The point however is that there is a large field with the same car and the same problems.

[Jnovak]

That's without engine. And even in 2016, sorry but you still get what you pay for. A $50k formula car is full of compromises. The point however is that there is a large field with the same car and the same problems.

How many entries did they average last year? My understanding is that they are allowing their National (FC) class cars to race this year due to lack of entries.

[kflyer]

How many entries did they average last year? My understanding is that they are allowing their National (FC) class cars to race this year due to lack of entries.

They actually had pretty good number of entries last year. averaged about 25 per event in USF2000 and 16-18 in Pro Mazda.

[SilverCarbir_FC26]

Over all the car looks really good and I like that the chassis will be modular between usf and pro mazda. But I wish they would have figured out a way to some how do away with the air intake on the side of the car.

[Jnovak]

They actually had pretty good number of entries last year. averaged about 25 per event in USF2000 and 16-18 in Pro Mazda.

2015 USF2000 series entrants
St. Pete 17
Nola. 16
Barber. 15
Indy 17
LOR 15
Toronto 15
Mid-Ohio 18
Laguna 15
Average 16 entries

[kflyer]

2015 USF2000 series entrants
St. Pete 17
Nola. 16
Barber. 15
Indy 17
LOR 15
Toronto 15
Mid-Ohio 18
Laguna 15
Average 16 entries

Hmm.. I thought it was better than that? Still way better than any other open wheel series in the states! (except IndyCar of coarse)

[Jnovak]

Hmm.. I thought it was better than that? Still way better than any other open wheel series in the states! (except IndyCar of coarse)

There are simply way too many open wheel classes trying to get all 26 budding open wheel racers looking for a career.

[Bob Wright]

F2000 Championship Series= 22.3 average entry
F1600 Championship Series= 19.57 average entry
Atlantic Championship Series= 11.86 average entry

Seven race weekends

[Jnovak]

F2000
Championship Series= 22.3 average entry
F1600 Championship Series= 19.57 average entry
Atlantic Championship Series= 11.86 average entry

Seven race weekends

We ran 2 of their events last season. What a pleasure! I certainly hope there is more in our future.

[Chris Livengood]

If I was independently wealthy and as a result could commit enough of that wealth to open wheel racing I think I would just go straight to Indy Car. Surely all of the expense you would save by skipping all of these junior series could be used to test and eventually buy your way into a seat. Especially considering that you are going to be paying for that Indy Car ride in most cases anyways.

[Ty_Handke_83]

If I was independently wealthy and as a result could commit enough of that wealth to open wheel racing I think I would just go straight to Indy Car. Surely all of the expense you would save by skipping all of these junior series could be used to test and eventually buy your way into a seat. Especially considering that you are going to be paying for that Indy Car ride in most cases anyways.

Except you need to run in the lower categories with moderate success in order to be qualified for the international licence which is required... Otherwise the top rung would be filled with rich morons who couldn't drive a nail...

[JerryH]

52k for the usf2000 + engine-wheels-dampers

10k more for the Pro Mazda

anyone have any idea how much the engine, wheels, and dampers will add to the cost?
I am guessing 20 thousand at least.....

Jerry Hodges

[NPalacioM3]

Except you need to run in the lower categories with moderate success in order to be qualified for the international licence which is required... Otherwise the top rung would be filled with rich morons who couldn't drive a nail...

I am sure with money, you could get around that.

anyone have any idea how much the engine, wheels, and dampers will add to the cost?
I am guessing 20 thousand at least.....

Jerry Hodges

At least.

You Dustin's dad?

[problemchild]

If I was independently wealthy and as a result could commit enough of that wealth to open wheel racing I think I would just go straight to Indy Car. Surely all of the expense you would save by skipping all of these junior series could be used to test and eventually buy your way into a seat. Especially considering that you are going to be paying for that Indy Car ride in most cases anyways.

I would, however, stick to the road courses.
I could hurt myself plenty, and be in everyone's way, without doing it at 240 on an oval.

[David G]

The car looks very similar to the Tatuus they run in New Zealand Toyota series.

[havoc]

My rough guess on costs for PM18:

2 sets of wheels $5000

dampers: $8000

engine: $30,000

tub with extras: $62,000

total of $105,000

I think this would be a good value, but it seems a little cheap when compared to the next level up.

[Raceworks]

F2000 Championship Series= 22.3 average entry
F1600 Championship Series= 19.57 average entry
Atlantic Championship Series= 11.86 average entry

Seven race weekends

And, I might add, consistently one of the best values open-wheel racing.

[Raceworks]

The car looks very similar to the Tatuus they run in New Zealand Toyota series.

My understanding is that the chassis is the F4 tub with a double front bulkhead for ovals.

[mousecatcher]

My rough guess on costs for PM18:

2 sets of wheels $5000

dampers: $8000

engine: $30,000

tub with extras: $62,000

total of $105,000

I think this would be a good value, but it seems a little cheap when compared to the next level up.

Dash and sensors: $10k to start.

[Steve Bamford]

My rough guess on costs for PM18:

2 sets of wheels $5000

dampers: $8000

engine: $30,000

tub with extras: $62,000

total of $105,000

I think this would be a good value, but it seems a little cheap when compared to the next level up.

as someone else listed add the cost of the dash & sensors in. I am having a hard time finding "good value" in this when a F4 is sub 60K around the world, half the price.

[FrankRizzo]

as someone else listed add the cost of the dash & sensors in. I am having a hard time finding "good value" in this when a F4 is sub 60K around the world, half the price.

(Waits patiently for someone to say "Yes, it's so cheap there have to have been corners cut, and sacrifices made.)

[Steve Bamford]

(Waits patiently for someone to say "Yes, it's so cheap there have to have been corners cut, and sacrifices made.)

Huh? This car you talking about is a F4 with a few parts upgrades??? Chassis is the same.

[FrankRizzo]

Huh? This car you talking about is a F4 with a few parts upgrades??? Chassis is the same.

I know, I was speaking solely towards the trend that I've seen where if you point out that the price of a new car is affordable, someone steps up to say that "The reason it's so cheap is because it's crap."

I *FULLY* support the F4. Once they start to trickle down to us poor club racers, I think the world will be a more beautiful place.

[havoc]

It will come with a high-end Cosworth data system and wheel, PFC F3-style brake package, American Racing forged aluminum wheels similar to those on the Dallara IL15 Indy Lights cars, paddle-shifter, carbon nose/front wing assembly, and upgraded driver safety protection – an enhanced bulkhead for U.S. circuits.

According to the series, "the cost of the USF-17 chassis – not including engine, wheels and dampers – is $51,400."

[Steve Bamford]

It will come with a high-end Cosworth data system and wheel, PFC F3-style brake package, American Racing forged aluminum wheels similar to those on the Dallara IL15 Indy Lights cars, paddle-shifter, carbon nose/front wing assembly, and upgraded driver safety protection – an enhanced bulkhead for U.S. circuits.

According to the series, "the cost of the USF-17 chassis – not including engine, wheels and dampers – is $51,400."

Your numbers add up to 105 k according to what you wrote. You forgot to add assembly costs as they are not listed in the Series numbers. Coming without all those parts there is an install required. Even before that you are 45 k plus more then all other F4's so I do not see the "value" as much as you seem to. I am also pretty sure the FIA price cap on parts that F4 has will not be offered on these cars.

I am sure the extras will likely be high end race parts so it will cost more, but is it worth almost double?

[worldspeed kevin]

I just wanted to clear some stuff up about the USF-17 car. Total cost of car is $84,000. That is for one set of wheels, new engine, ECU/GCU, shipping to Haas, shocks, engine harness. This does not include any taxes. Of course they will be some more wheels that need to be purchased and a spare package kit but if racing in USF2000 the need for a spare kit is not needed as much as Haas is at every event.

I anyone would like more information on the car I have some more information I could send you. We are starting a USF2000 program for next year with the introduction of the new USF-17. If you are interested email me and I can give you some more information.

We also have Pro Mazda's available for arrive and drive at Formula Car Challenge and some Pro Mazda's for sale in the shop.

Hope this clears up some things about the USF-17. I have PDF that breaks this all down but file is too big to attach. Send me an email if you would like it.

Kevin