Formula Race Promotions Launching new FIA Spec Formula 4 car

[Ron B.]

The manual and car were assembled by 3rd graders.

Comic Sans font?!?!! Guess that isn't the car for me.

The font? Is that what you're going with? How does it compare to the manual that comes with a Van Diemen?

I thought so. This manual is fairly comprehensive no matter the font. With solid model screenshots even. Best junior formula manual I've seen short of the Swift 008/014 manual.

[John LaRue]

Ha, you should see the Citation manual!

[TimW]

The font? Is that what you're going with? How does it compare to the manual that comes with a Van Diemen?

Apparently you missed the geek humor reference.
http://mashable.com/2012/10/03/comic-sans-history/

[HazelNut]

Charles' NAMBLA sticker may be finally, but never actually, appropriate.

I'm glad to know that my efforts don't go unnoticed.


My personal favorite was the "Hillary 2016" I put on it in 2014. I thought he was about to get his ass kicked by the tow truck drivers when they noticed it while pulling him out of the tires at Road Atlanta, GA, hardcore liberals they were....

[HazelNut]

Quite a few 15 year olds, most of them with several european and world karting championships already.

I don't care how good they are. They're children. I have zero interest in racing with/against actual children. Adults who act like children, that a different story...

[HazelNut]

The font? Is that what you're going with? How does it compare to the manual that comes with a Van Diemen?

I thought so. This manual is fairly comprehensive no matter the font. With solid model screenshots even. Best junior formula manual I've seen short of the Swift 008/014 manual.

Font aside it does like pretty damn comprehensive, but yeah the font is ridiculous.

[mousecatcher]

The font? Is that what you're going with?

It was (in part) a joke. It is well established in design language that comic sans is an abomination. 8 of the top 10 google results for 'comic sans' testify to that.

Although I was poking fun, honestly I cannot bear to read a single word of the manual so I'll never know how good it is!

[dc]

At least someone got the joke...

[Ron B.]

Apparently you missed the geek humor reference.
http://mashable.com/2012/10/03/comic-sans-history/

Font aside it does like pretty damn comprehensive, but yeah the font is ridiculous.

It was (in part) a joke. It is well established in design language that comic sans is an abomination. 8 of the top 10 google results for 'comic sans' testify to that.

Although I was poking fun, honestly I cannot bear to read a single word of the manual so I'll never know how good it is!

At least someone got the joke...

The joke is on me. I must be losing what geek I have left...

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Swift17]

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[Tiago Santos]

I don't care how good they are. They're children. I have zero interest in racing with/against actual children. Adults who act like children, that a different story...

I don't see where anyone is forcing or pressuring you to race with anyone. You're free to pick who you want to race with, unfortunately you have very little say in who gets to race everyone else.

[Steve Demeter]

Ha, you should see the Citation manual!

There is such a thing??

[FrankRizzo]

OK guys. Newbie question so don't shred me TOO hard.

The F4 car. If you buy the 33k Euro roller. What is required before you can put it on the track?

Obviously, being a roller, you'd have to install the engine, transmission, and work out all of those kinks. If there anything else?

Is the car, in fact, COMPLETE other than engine, tranny? Especially in this case when it's for a "spec" series?

Thanks!

[Ben Beasley]

Frank, Where did u get $33k, You buy it complete race ready from Mygale NA for $60k That's how it is sold, for the Formula Car Promotions USF4 Series. Most all of the facts can be most easily acquired From Mygale N.A. or Formula Car Promotions. Press releases can be found on the F1600 and F2000 that contain most of the basics. I guess FRP is trying to derect anyone interested in F1600 or F2000 toward F4. By the way the Australian series has 12 cars https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f3&oe=567B13CE

[FrankRizzo]

Frank, Where did u get $33k

I didn't. What I said was:

The F4 car. If you buy the 33k Euro roller.

PRICE 33.000€ HT roilling chassis (without engine and VAT)

And, I got it from HERE:

http://www.mygale-cars.com/our-race-cars/formula-4/

It clearly says it comes "without engine." Is that ALL it's without?

[FrankRizzo]

Also, someone help me with the $60K. Here's my math (All prices in Euros, conversion comes after)

Car 33,000
Engine 9,500
Paddle/Data 5,000
------------------------------------
47,500

As of this moment:

47,500.00 EUR = 54,099.00 USD

The other 5,901.00 USD is taxes, shipping, and handling? Is the transmission included in the roller cost, the paddle shift/data cost, or is that part of this $5900?

In another thread, there's a guy from SoCal talking about buying a Formula Renault, and having it air freighted to him from the UK. That costs (From his post), $3500, with a 3% tariff, or tax, or bribe, or something. Is that what we're talking about?

(Just trying to understand!)

[H.L.Tallman]

Frank stop reading this thread and go to the USF4 site at the F2000 championship series .com and read what they are saying. Read what is real about the F4 car they are using from Mygale. If you have questions ask Bob Wright and you will get the answers. Ben is right. The car will be sold for the series for under 60,000 . This is a complete car ready to race. What you are reading and what people are quoting is the British websites deal they have with Mygale. Over there they rent there engines form the manufacture and return them to them to be rebuilt and exchanged. So the roller.
Hilton Tallman

[Steve Bamford]

Also, someone help me with the $60K. Here's my math (All prices in Euros, conversion comes after)

Car 33,000
Engine 9,500
Paddle/Data 5,000
------------------------------------
47,500

As of this moment:

47,500.00 EUR = 54,099.00 USD

The other 5,901.00 USD is taxes, shipping, and handling? Is the transmission included in the roller cost, the paddle shift/data cost, or is that part of this $5900?

In another thread, there's a guy from SoCal talking about buying a Formula Renault, and having it air freighted to him from the UK. That costs (From his post), $3500, with a 3% tariff, or tax, or bribe, or something. Is that what we're talking about?

(Just trying to understand!)

Your numbers don't include tires, paint, engine assembly, FIA mandated capped distributor fee.

Add them all up and the car is just under 60k once you do the FX conversion.

If you have more questions on pricing contact Mygale North America as they are the North American Importer.

[Kazis31]

Sorry for misinformation..
I have corrected the post.
3500 is ocean freight (air is 10 -15k)
Taxes on off road vehicles are 2.5 %.
Insurance around 1%.
Bunch of federal fees. ETC,
Also Mygale representatives are not in business to not make money.
There is reasonable profit margin as well.
I REALLY wouldn't be crying about 65k price for brand new turn key car with carbon tub sequential gearbox and fancy paddleshifer system with full on integrated data system.
Try to by those things separately and install yourself and you will end up way north of 90 k.

[FrankRizzo]

I REALLY wouldn't be crying about 65k price for brand new turn key car with carbon tub sequential gearbox and fancy paddleshifer system with full on integrated data system.

There is always more to my posts than meets the eye. I was told that your typical rolling chassis didn't include a BUNCH of things that I assumed it might.

• Belts
• Wiring Harness
• Other things that I can't remember off the top of my head.

So, I ask indirectly, and see what I'm told. I asked about the pricing, as I assumed some of this stuff COULD be included in that mysterious $5900 delta in my calculations.

I was also curious if the transmission was included in the price of the car, or the price of the engine.

And lastly, I'm not a racer yet. Might never be. I'm a track day guy. So, I was thinking about the street legal FF200s, but the prices I saw were insane when compared with a NEW rolling chassis. I had entertained the idea of getting the rolling chassis, and getting my own engine.

So, that's more of the method to my madness. (Cue the chorus of people saying that I should start in an FF1600, and work my way up).

[Michael Rand]

Yeah, and that chorus would be right, by the way......
Open wheel ain't even remotely like anything anyone has been in, even a pricey high line allegedly "super car" street legal anything.......

[bill gillespie]

Yeah, and that chorus would be right, by the way......
Open wheel ain't even remotely like anything anyone has been in, even a pricey high line allegedly "super car" street legal anything.......

Hey Frank.....listen to Mike....the end.

[FrankRizzo]

If you'd like to opine on my newbieness, please see my thread here:

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/show...441#post482441

[BURKY]

So, tell me. What are your concerns? (Other than the fact that I might threadjack).

Isn't this thread about F4 cars!

If you start a thread in the (getting started) section, I'm sure members would be glad to give you advice.

[Kazis31]

2x brand new F4 purchased by customers in Sonoma.
They seem to love it and say that 60k can not buy you more in US.

FYI.

[NPalacioM3]

2x brand new F4 purchased by customers in Sonoma.
They seem to love it and say that 60k can not buy you more in US.

FYI.

And where are they racing it? Not with FRP I assume being based in Sonoma... So SCCA Pro? Even though we have no clue what car SCCA Pro will use? Hmmmm.

[Kazis31]

Jim Russel graduates .
To answer question don't know yet,but they got the cars

[Lotus7]

And where are they racing it? Not with FRP I assume being based in Sonoma... So SCCA Pro? Even though we have no clue what car SCCA Pro will use? Hmmmm.

They might just be wealthy business-persons who think it's cool and will use it for track days.
There are several Pro-Mazda's that dont race anywhere but at Milazzo's Sonoma-based series, and coincidentally, the latest Formula Lites car delivered is going out there for the same track day only use......

[Kazis31]

Don't be hatin.....

[mousecatcher]

He isn't. He's just pointing out that sales of race cars that aren't racing don't upset the alphabet soup balance.

Of course anyone that says you can't buy more car for $60k ... that isn't racing it ... is dead wrong. New car, perhaps (although FE is under 60). But if you're not racing it there's a lot of cars you can get for well under $60k that will dust the F4.

[Kazis31]

brand new?
Carbon tub?
Paddle shifter?
sequential gearbox?

Were talking modern technology ,not raw speed.

[mousecatcher]

it's a race car, not a street or show car. raw speed is the only thing that matters, isn't it? I buy a race car to go fast, not to look good standing next to it.

[Spengo]

it's a race car, not a street or show car. raw speed is the only thing that matters, isn't it? I buy a race car to go fast, not to look good standing next to it.

I'd love to see the return of can-am as much as anybody but for a bottom level race car having good close competition and lots of people to race against is much more important than raw speed. Can't see why anyone would buy an F4 for anything but racing though, not really a whole lot of opportunity to even drive open wheel outside racing.

[Lotus7]

Don't be hatin.....

sheesh, chill a little, how on earth did you get hatin' out of this:

"They might just be wealthy business-persons who think it's cool and will use it for track days. There are several Pro-Mazda's that dont race anywhere but at Milazzo's Sonoma-based series, and coincidentally, the latest Formula Lites car delivered is going out there for the same track day only use......"

It was simple facts mixed with a quite feasible possibility.....

[mousecatcher]

I'd love to see the return of can-am as much as anybody but for a bottom level race car having good close competition and lots of people to race against is much more important than raw speed.

sure, of course. sorry, didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just overstated my case a bit.

Can't see why anyone would buy an F4 for anything but racing though, not really a whole lot of opportunity to even drive open wheel outside racing.

Here in norcal (where Maris says the 2 cars landed), there are lots and lots of open test days at Sears. I still wouldn't buy an F4 just for lapping. Plenty of better cars for the money. The entire value proposition in F4 is the racing.

It will be very interesting to see if Crawford puts in a bid to create an F4 car. It kind of got poo-pooed earlier in the thread, but given that F4 meets F3 crash spec, I'm guessing they could use the same FL chassis and have something in time for 2016. With a US supplier, insensitivity to euro FX, FIA stamp, well SCCA might have something. Damn shame that it would fracture the F4 field/market but it will only take a year to shake out the winner. FRP has quite the headstart though.

[rickb99]

I ....nd, I got it from HERE:

http://www.mygale-cars.com/our-race-cars/formula-4/

Well, they've been working on that web site since this thread started. The car and paddle shift/DATA WITHOUT engine was $58,000 when we first started here. Base car was $51,000

[rickb99]

....Here in norcal (where Maris says the 2 cars landed), there are lots and lots of open test days at Sears. I still wouldn't buy an F4 just for lapping. Plenty of better cars for the money.....

People in NorCal and NorPac haven't even purchased FE's yet. Not a single one in either region.!But, FC's are going strong right now. How to the powers that be figure they'll shell out for F4's???

[mousecatcher]

People in NorCal and NorPac haven't even purchased FE's yet. Not a single one in either region.!But, FC's are going strong right now. How to the powers that be figure they'll shell out for F4's???

There are somewhere between 8 and 12 FEs in norcal. Only 1 racing at this time. I think 4 (at least) are going to Daytona.

[FrankRizzo]

There are somewhere between 8 and 12 FEs in norcal. Only 1 racing at this time. I think 4 (at least) are going to Daytona.

Permanently?

[mousecatcher]

for the runoffs