GearTronics Conversion Install

[Jasonrmbell]

Removed all of the tank and pump installed the new larger air bottle saved 7lbs.

Would upload pics but it will not let me.

[JohnPaul]

that's a good idea. My only concern would be running out before the end of a race. How long will it last? thinking about those messed up races where you have more yellow flags then green. You need to make sure it'll last for an hour with strong pressure.

[glenn cooper]

It's a proven deal, I was on the verge of doing that myself, even bought the bottle kit and everything.
I got 8 bottles so I could throw a fully charged one in every session as a backup deal...

[sprocketmensch]

Jason,
Post some pix. I'd love to see how you did it. Considering it myself.

[ghickman]

No need to be concerned, a 4500 psi 68 ci bottle will easily last a 30 minute race and then some.

This really is nothing new, paintball gun bottles were used on the original Pingel system back in the day in DSR. The bottles have gotten better and the regulators are much improved.

I don't mind swapping bottles out to save on weight and complexity. Just plan on spending a grand for several highend bottles.

Side note....any of you current or potential Geartronics folks. I have a much improved gear position adaptor for the Suzuki that doesn't leak, and doesn't require tapping the hole in the shift drum. It also puts the "dead zone" on the sensor in the correct place....the one Geartronics sells has a design error. It also has an additional issue which is far more complicated to explain but can lead to problems with the shift drum.

[JohnPaul]

[QUOTE=ghickman;458588]No need to be concerned, a 4500 psi 68 ci bottle will easily last a 30 minute race and then some. [j/QUOTE]

You know firsthand that Im a firm believer in Hickmanology but 30 minutes isn't nearly enough to ease my crazy mind. I need at least 1 hour if not I'd rather diet and lose the extra 7lbs and have peace of mind.....just saying

[Jasonrmbell]

I installed the larger carbon fiber tank I believe 90 ci I understand it will last 1.5 hours.

[Jasonrmbell]

Anyone know why it won't allow me to post pics? Says a quota deal yet I have resized the pictures down to 40kb

[Jasonrmbell]

I also purchased 4 bottles 1 large and 3 mediums. Definitely the way to go.

[Jasonrmbell]

https://app.box.com/s/4dkn6wlahvfmra22g2q9

[Jasonrmbell]

https://app.box.com/s/2pyyqpeosjhaupqub9ja

[Jnovak]

Anyone know why it won't allow me to post pics? Says a quota deal yet I have resized the pictures down to 40kb

The reason you cannot post pics is because the total number of pics you have posted exceeds the maximum memory you are allowed on this forum. I know because I had to delete some pics.

[Jasonrmbell]

Ok Thanks J

[Jasonrmbell]

J how do I delete the photos I have previously posted to make room.

[Jnovak]

Cannot remember Jason but it was easy.

Contact the administrator.

[ghickman]

[QUOTE=JohnPaul;458590]

No need to be concerned, a 4500 psi 68 ci bottle will easily last a 30 minute race and then some. [j/QUOTE]

You know firsthand that Im a firm believer in Hickmanology but 30 minutes isn't nearly enough to ease my crazy mind. I need at least 1 hour if not I'd rather diet and lose the extra 7lbs and have peace of mind.....just saying

I like the OLOGY reference...that made me laugh.

The weight savings can be better than 7 pounds....slightly north of 10 if done properly. The stock Geartronics wiring harness is overkill and with the pump and accumulator tank out of the equation you can trim all the wiring out.

[Jasonrmbell]

Was around 8.9 lbs weighed today. Our existing accumulator tank was light.

[BURKY]

It's a proven deal, I was on the verge of doing that myself, even bought the bottle kit and everything.
I got 8 bottles so I could throw a fully charged one in every session as a backup deal...

Coop,

Find a cheap scuba tank and a paintball fill station and you're good to go.

[BURKY]

J how do I delete the photos I have previously posted to make room.

Click on (user CP) then click on (attachments)

[Jasonrmbell]

Thanks Burky ! I couldn't see it in the app had to log onto the site.

[Jasonrmbell]

[glenn cooper]

Whatcha got under that towel, Bruh?!

[Jasonrmbell]

LoL nothing much

[BURKY]

I don't think the paintball tanks are designed for extreme heat conditions. If we decide to go that route, I plan on deflecting as much heat as possible.

[Jasonrmbell]

The tank I have shown is Carbon and the area mounted will not see that much heat thus why I mounted it there.

[Wren]

Paintball tanks are DOT approved, I wouldn't worry about them too much. I have seen them take some ridiculously hard impacts (think completely tacoing a gun and lacerating a guys liver).

Ninja recently released a new line of bottles that are smaller and will save you over a pound for the same amount of air. They are not that much more than a regular tank.

[Jasonrmbell]

No need to be concerned, a 4500 psi 68 ci bottle will easily last a 30 minute race and then some.

This really is nothing new, paintball gun bottles were used on the original Pingel system back in the day in DSR. The bottles have gotten better and the regulators are much improved.

I don't mind swapping bottles out to save on weight and complexity. Just plan on spending a grand for several highend bottles.

Side note....any of you current or potential Geartronics folks. I have a much improved gear position adaptor for the Suzuki that doesn't leak, and doesn't require tapping the hole in the shift drum. It also puts the "dead zone" on the sensor in the correct place....the one Geartronics sells has a design error. It also has an additional issue which is far more complicated to explain but can lead to problems with the shift drum.

I'd like to purchase one of these

[vandiemen]

Paintball tanks are rated for 130 deg F maximum. If you mount it in the engine compartment, make sure you put a couple of temperature indicating stickers on the tank so you know its temperature and aren't just guessing. I don't want to see anybody get hurt -- if the carbon is damaged by heat the time it's most likely to blow up is while it's being refilled, probably while being held in your hands. Be smart, please.

[JRMarchand]

Yea man, whats under the towel. haha you could've crop it haha now it looks plain suspicious

[alp]

how about a carbon nitrous tank then?

[JohnPaul]

we are working on an balloon concept. Much lighter and safer. Critter has already submitted his drawing for patent and the first prototype should be back from the engineer Monday. I've attached the drawing just in case anyone had interest.

[Jasonrmbell]

LoL

[Val Popescu]

Geartronics sells carbon bottles at prices comparable with Ninja paintball bottles. They also sell their own regulator for close to $500. Ninja (and other) regulators are less than $100.

Anybody with experience using non-Geartronics regulators from the bottle to the valves?

[ghickman]

Geartronics sells carbon bottles at prices comparable with Ninja paintball bottles. They also sell their own regulator for close to $500. Ninja (and other) regulators are less than $100.

Anybody with experience using non-Geartronics regulators from the bottle to the valves?

The regulator that Geartronics sells is a Smartparts regulator, UK. Smartparts USA went belly up several years ago.

I know a bit about this industry. We did all the design, engineering, and machining for about a decade for DYE until it all went off shore.

I've used both off the shelf paintball and the GT regulator, no difference that I can tell.

Most critical part of making these system function correctly is having the regulator at the bottle "TUNED". There are good and bad here. If you stay with the highend Ninja bottles they have the best regulator. However they need to be shimmed so they deliver exactly 750 psi to the final regulator. An experienced paintball guy can do this.

[Val Popescu]

Thanks.
Let me quote from an email from Geartronics. They have what they call "low pressure regulator" between bottle's high pressure regulator (included with their bottle) and valves that "drops 800 psi down to regulated 125 psi" and is this one costing $500.
From this I assume the high pressure reg. drops from 4000 psi to 925 psi and the low pressure re. from 925 to 125 psi.

Is my understanding correct and how this maps to a paint bottle air flow?

[ghickman]

Thanks.
Let me quote from an email from Geartronics. They have what they call "low pressure regulator" between bottle's high pressure regulator (included with their bottle) and valves that "drops 800 psi down to regulated 125 psi" and is this one costing $500.
From this I assume the high pressure reg. drops from 4000 psi to 925 psi and the low pressure re. from 925 to 125 psi.

Is my understanding correct and how this maps to a paint bottle air flow?

That's close.

4500 PSI bottle down to 750 PSI

Low Pressure Regulator 750 to 125 PSI

The low pressure regulator is where I have in the past used an off the shelf paintball gun regulator. This is nothing new, been around since the beginning days of PB.

I'm sampling low pressure from the reg to my logger. This way I know what the pressure actually is and not depending on a cheap gauge.

[glenn cooper]

how about a carbon nitrous tank then?

It's been done.

Won the June Sprints in '08 w/ one - ask anyone who was there!

[Jasonrmbell]

Damn lol

[sprocketmensch]

Jason,
Where did you get the clamps holding the bottle? I'm doing a similar conversion.
Doug

[Jasonrmbell]

We bought them from Pegasus and did some minor machining I will get you thee part #