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    It seemed like just a week or so ago ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    We're up to 7 cars with only 2 weeks to go. Who else is going that hasn't registered yet?
    Nice job getting the cars out for this race, Mike. They hired the right man for your job. :-).

    I plan to wear my F1000 Series shirt and crash the party for some free food and beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussMcB View Post

    I plan to wear my F1000 Series shirt and crash the party for some free food and beer.
    I would expect nothing less.
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    I look forward to meeting everyone again at the track.

    Remember if you are a competitor, crew, or fan -->

    Signup for twitter notifications. We use twitter to broadcast the event live, happenings, and important series driver notifications as well.

    Signup link here.

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    many dont know you can register your twitter account with your cell phone.. this enables you to customize and request sms text messages for particular select twitter feeds you request that you are subscribed to. Which makes it handy for competitors if trackside to be in the loop on happenings as every update can be sms texted to your phone !

    Saturday night series social is going to be a blast ! dont miss out.. and remember drivers and crew BYO drink.

    see you then,
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    Default US Formula 1000 Festival at Road Atlanta!

    I should be around on Saturday.
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    Default Good news.

    Nicolas Ortiz has registered with his Firman car. Bringing the Field now up to 15 !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Belling View Post
    Nicolas Ortiz has registered with his Firman car. Bringing the Field now up to 15 !

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    Default Big Thanks to Geartronics and HRP

    Just wanted to give a shout out to a couple guys that went out of their way to help me with getting parts to fix my car after a heartbreaking fire at VIR.

    Nick Belling at Geartronics got everything I needed partswise and then was available at any hour to help me get things back to 100%. Even did a remote systems check to just make sure everything was calibrated properly. Nick was truly concerned and wanted to do whatever it took to get me going.

    Mike Devins at Hurley Race Products built me an engine cover based on some old moulds that were given to him. He got right on it after we spoke and he got me a part with enough time for me to get it fitted. Just a great guy with great service for sure.

    Our racing group is small and I'm just so thankful there are guys like these who make it possible to do what we love. Without their passion, things would be much, much tougher for us to enjoy ours.

    See ya in Atlanta,

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    Default Right On, Bro

    THAT is the definition of dedication, right there that is!

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    That is great news JR. Good luck!
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    with a special thanks to every SCCA worker (NONE OF US WOULD RACE WITHOUT THE WORKERS)

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    Rounds 5 and 6 of the US Formula 1000 Championship East at Road Atlanta are just days away!

    A full field of 15 cars is entered, with Glenn Cooper leading the way. After a sweep at VIR, Cooper has a healthy lead over Nicholas Ortiz and Richard Franklin. Race 1 winner Lawrence Loshak and multiple national champion JR Osborne both return to the series after being absent at VIR, and both look to chip away at Cooper’s lead. Round 3 and 4 podium winners Alex Mayer and Alastair McEwan are also hoping to capitalize on their success at VIR to close the point gap.
    To view the current point standings, go to: http://www.usf1000.com/Standings.html

    Road Atlanta Schedule
    Friday May 17th
    Road Atlanta Test Day
    Saturday May 18th
    9:35 = 25 minutes Qualify 1 for Sunday race
    11:20 = 25 minutes Qualify 1 for Saturday race (Formula 1000 only)
    2:05 = 20 minutes Qualify 2 for Sunday race
    4:35pm = 18 lap US Formula 1000 East Race (Formula 1000 only)
    Sunday May 19th
    1:10 = 18 lap National Race

    Prizes at Road Atlanta

    Hoosier Tires
    1st :4 tires
    2nd:2 tires
    3rd:1 tire
    Pole position: 1 tire
    Random tire Draw: 2 tires
    Hyperco Springs
    1st: 1 pair springs
    2nd: $50 certificate
    3rd: $25 certificate
    Jongbloed wheels
    1st: $100 Certificate
    3rd: $75 Certificate
    5th: $50 certificate
    Sunoco Hard charger - Cash Payout $150
    Geartronics Shift Systems
    If running a Geartronics:
    1st: $100 Cash Payout
    3rd: $75 Cash Payout
    5th: $50 Cash Payout
    10th: $50 Cash Payout
    If not running a Geartronics:
    1st: $750 Certificate towards a new system
    2nd: $500 Certificate towards a new system
    3rd: $250 certificate towards a new system

    Remember, to be eligible for any of these prizes, you must register with the US Formula 1000 Championship and pay the registration fee!

    Join The Party!

    The Series will host a meet-n-greet social event at 6:30 pm sharp Saturday evening in the US Formula 1000 paddock. We’ll provide the food (tentatively BBQ but subject to change), you bring your favorite beverage and a side dish or dessert. There will be door prizes and the series administrators will be there to discuss this year’s championship and beyond.

    Follow the Action Live!

    Live timing will be provided by the Atlanta Region throughout the weekend. Follow the action here: http://livetiming.net/scca/ars/

    We also hope to have some behind-the-scenes updates throughout the weekend, so tune in to the US Formula 1000 Twitter feed! https://twitter.com/Formula1000
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    I'm out! car is not going to be ready in time. what a bummer, we've been bust arse to get it done......oh well, hope everyone has a great time and stays safe.

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    bring the car to the track and you will probably have 4 or 5 guys helping on thursday night and through the test day friday.

    I will help !!! if it gets you into the race....
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    Thanks Nick, but I'm going to pass. I'll get it on the track local this weekend to get it sorted and plan for the sprints.

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    Default US Formula 1000 Festival at Road Atlanta!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Belling View Post
    bring the car to the track and you will probably have 4 or 5 guys helping on thursday night and through the test day friday.

    I will help !!! if it gets you into the race....
    Hey Nick post up some pictures from the Grid and Car shots of our class thanks!!
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    I'm not getting any live timing from racemonitor. Is anyone else getting any live timing from the track?

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    Default US Formula 1000 Festival at Road Atlanta!

    Race monitor is not working for me either. There is a live timing link on the f1000 twitter feed. Looks like coop is on the pole after the first session. Times seem a little off.

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    Live timing up and working.........from Road Atlanta....

    http://livetiming.net/scca/ars/

    Next F1000 @ 11:20 AM EDT.....10:20 CDT.....9:20 AM MST....8:20 PDT
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    Positions for Sat Race 5-18-2013 F1000........
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    JR at 1:21.47 aint too shabby for high noon in May at Hotlanta.
    Looks like he did it in 3 laps, took a lap to get home. 4 laps total. Saving those tires.


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    Loshak exits the track after about 3 laps then back on with about 10 minutes left to capture #2 position. A major comeback for Loshak.
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    Default US Formula 1000 Festival at Road Atlanta!

    Looking Good
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    Race #1 Complete @ Road Atlanta.....Race #2 Sunday @ 1:10 EDT...12:10 CDT...11:10 MST....10:10 PDT

    Blowout race for Loshak & Cooper who appeared untouchable.....Osborne out after 7 laps.

    Mayer comes on strong in last few laps to capture 3rd Place.

    Results.....
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    Sunday May 19, 2013 F1000 Race #2 Line-up...Osborne, Slahor, McEwan OUT of Line-up at start.

    Yellow after 1st Lap....2nd Lap...3rd Lap.....Green Flag lap 4.....Loshak, Mayer, Cooper after Lap 6.....Checkered Flag after Lap 6.....Loshak...Mayer...Cooper.

    Timing to follow........
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    Race #2 Sun May 19th, 2013 Road Atlanta Results....more to follow from drivers.

    Loshak wins.......takes double weekend WIN!

    Mayer 2nd

    Cooper 3rd

    Race shortened due to rain/wet track.
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    Great to meet all again and spend time with all the drivers and crew this weekend!!!

    Without you it wouldn't exist!! Thanks again for tor participation.


    I can see everyone enjoys their own run group. Remember please send series feedback/ suggestions to myself,mike beachamp and Thomas Copeland. Www.usf1000.com for contact details.

    See you all at the sprints.. Another official usf1000 party and prize draws again I am sure.
    Maybe another moonshine flavor this time !
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    Was there a drawing for random tires? It didn't happen at the social. Who won?
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    It was done yesterday. I can't remember who won but the official announcement will go out later today and appear here. Stay tuned!
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    Hey Mike, I know you're busy but we're holding our press release until you post the USF1000 release. Will it be today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zcurves View Post
    Hey Mike, I know you're busy but we're holding our press release until you post the USF1000 release. Will it be today?
    I sure hope so.
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    Points standings are updated at
    www.usf1000.com

    Race report and prize payout should be released shortly today.

    Thanks
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    Default F1000 Championship Series/Road Atlanta

    Thank you to the F1000 organization and Road Atlanta for allowing F1000 a great two race schedule for the weekend.

    My weekend could have been much worse and could have been better.

    Saturday weather turned out great and our late afternoon race for me ranks up there as one of those races you never forget and a race where you earn respect as a race car driver. Alex Mayer is not only an excellent race car driver, but a guy you can go wheel to wheel every lap with clean racing. We raced hard for 18 laps and passed some times twice each lap. He came out on top and his podium finish was well deserved and earned when it counted. It was an exciting race and my brother/friends were in turn five and said people were cheering on the hill as we battled to the end. We were pulled aside at impound and were informed we would be logged as having car to car contact twice as was reported by the corner workers. We looked at our cars and Alex had a few minor front nose scuff marks that did not scratch the paint or damage his graphics, so I call it great precision driving on his part. I told the steward we had a clean race and at no time did I feel car to car contact from behind. Bottom line, Alex drove a great race and was also the rain master in Sundays down pour race. He may have won with a few more laps. Congrats! When I get to look at the video I will report how many times we switched positions.

    We had a new aero package on our car and much different set up so it was somewhat a test weekend for us. We had a front wing failure on test day in the last session and had to cobble together a replacement. Then in Q1 early in the session we were hit by a FV in T6 which was ridiculous. Her right front wheel hit mid car and destroyed my side pod and bent the left rear wheel. The corner was waving a pass flag frantically and I drove right down her mirror line of sight and she was not under any pressure. She drove a wide entry and came down hard on me. Even her peripheral vision did not kick in. I continued on and Qualified P2 but JR and Lawrence were not on track and after Q2 ended I ended up P4. In the other Q I was still P4 dealing with a loose car. We found we had a tow out on the LR of 5MM due to the FV accident. I had to skip the 3 Q on Saturday and assumed the toe out was the loose problem. It was not and in the race with Alex I had a loose car that had me drive with everything I had to hang on. If I had known we would have made additional changes to fix the loose problem.

    Sunday race in the rain when bad to worse. We started P3 and Alex got by and then spun and then at bottom of turn 10 on lap one my fuel quick disconnect fell off. So my race was done in lap one.

    So we enjoyed the weekend and will make some changes and repairs and look forward to the rest of the year.

    Congrats to Lawrence on rebounding with two wins after blowing a motor and fire damage on test day.

    Best regards,
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    Default Loshak Sweeps Road Atlanta Weekend!

    Lawrence Loshak skipped rounds 3 and 4 at VIR but returned to the US Formula 1000 Championship East presented by Hoosier Racing Tires, Sunoco Race Fuels, George Dean Racing Engines, Jongbloed Racing Wheels, Hyperco, LS Motorsports, and Geartronics and picked up where he left off at Circuit of the Americas. He took the win in both Road Atlanta rounds, one of them from the pole. The only spoiler preventing a perfect weekend for Loshak was JR Osborne, who took the pole for Saturday’s race with a qualifying lap of 1:21.474. Osborne led in the early laps but dropped out on lap 7 with an engine misfire, leaving Loshak and Glenn Cooper to duke it out for the top step of the podium. Loshak prevailed but Cooper wasn't far behind at the stripe. Alex Mayer was able to move up from his 5th grid spot to take the final step on the podium.

    After strong storms passed through the area early Sunday morning, there were dark skies and a steady rain at race time. In addition to Osborne, who was unable to repair his electrical problem in time for round 6, McEwan and Slahor elected to sit out the soaked race. This left Loshak, Glenn Cooper, and Alex Mayer to battle for the lead. On the opening lap, Mayer spun in turn 3, giving a position to Michael Crowe. Mayer recovered quickly and repassed Crowe, who pulled off later in the same lap with a fuel supply. problem. Before completing the opening lap, a crash in turn 1 brought out a full course caution, allowing the field to bunch up behind Loshak. After 3 laps behind the pace car, the green flag came out again and Mayer resumed his charge, getting past Cooper and setting his sights on Loshak. After only two more racing laps, another crash on the front straight prompted officials to checker the race early, preventing Mayer from running down Loshak, and putting an exclamation point on a near perfect weekend for Loshak.

    Full results-Race 5:
    1. Lawrence Loshak
    2. Glenn Cooper
    3. Alex Mayer
    4. Michael Crowe
    5. Jason Slahor
    6. Alastair McEwan
    7. Tim Pierce
    8. Nicho Vardis
    9. Richard Franklin
    10. Mike Beauchamp
    11. Nicholas Ortiz
    dnf JR Osborne
    dns John Hudak
    dns Tyler Thielmann

    Fastest race lap: Lawrence Loshak- 1:21.630

    Prize Payout-Race 5:
    1st Place: Lawrence Loshak - 4 Hoosier Tires, 1 pair Hyperco Springs, $100 Jongbloed Certificate, $750 Geartronics certificate
    2nd Place – Glenn Cooper - 2 Hoosier Tires, $50 Hyperco Certificate,
    3rd Place – Alex Mayer - 1 Hoosier Tire, $25 Hyperco Certificate, $75 Jongbloed Certificate, $250 Geartronics certificate
    5th Place – Jason Slahor - $50 Jongbloed Certificate

    Pole – JR Osborne (1:21.474) - 1 Hoosier tire
    Random drawing – Richard Franklin- 1 Hoosier tire
    Sunoco Hard Charge Award – Richard Franklin - $150.00 cash (moved up 3 positions)

    Full results-Race 6:
    1. Lawrence Loshak
    2. Alex Mayer
    3. Glenn Cooper
    4. Mike Beauchamp
    5. Tim Pierce
    6. Nicholas Ortiz
    7. Nicho Vardis
    8. John Hudak
    9. Richard Franklin
    dnf Michael Crowe
    dns JR Osborne
    dns Jason Slahor
    dns Alastair McEwan
    dns Tyler Thielmann

    Fastest race lap: Lawrence Loshak- 1:45.060


    Prize Payout-Race 6:
    1st Place - Lawrence Loshak - 4 Hoosier Tires, 1 pair Hyperco Springs, $100 Jongbloed Certificate, $750 Geartronics certificate
    2nd Place – Alex Mayer - 2 Hoosier Tires, $50 Hyperco Certificate, $500 Geartronics certificate
    3rd Place – Glenn Cooper - 1 Hoosier Tire, $25 Hyperco Certificate, $75 Jongbloed Certificate, $75 cash from Geartronics
    5th Place – Tim Pierce - $50 Jongbloed Certificate

    Pole – Lawrence Loshak (1:21.536) - 1 Hoosier tire
    Random drawing – Nicho Vardis- 1 Hoosier tire
    Sunoco Hard Charge Award – Nicholas Ortiz - $150.00 cash (moved up 5 positions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crowe motorsports View Post
    ...The corner was waving a pass flag frantically and I drove right down her mirror line of sight and she was not under any pressure. She drove a wide entry and came down hard on me. Even her peripheral vision did not kick in....
    Michael,
    Glad you had a decent weekend under the conditions - sounds like you and Alex had a great time.

    I was not there, but I have VAST experience with MUCH faster cars that "drove" by me in turns. I suggest that 'DOVE' is the more operative term in most cases. According to the GCR the primary responsibility for a clean pass rests on the overtaking driver (YOU in this case). The FV in question is not able to teleport itself off the planet just because you are closing rapidly. "Driving a wide entry and COMING down to the apex" is the standard racing line for most turns on most tracks - you should EXPECT that .. unless you get a 'POINT'. Did you get a 'point' from the FV? If not, that is a CLUE to you that you should WAIT - I know it's tough - I've been the faster car many times and lost LOTS of laps... but I drove my car into the trailer unscratched. FWIW - the BLUE FLAG is a warning to cars being overtaken to "not do anything STUPID" .. like VARYING THEIR LINE AT THE LAST MOMENT and to be aware that there is a faster car .. SOMEWHERE - that 'somewhere' could be 2 turns behind or 3 feet behind. The flag doesn't say.

    Go watch some of the videos posted by the faster cars .. the ones that CAN see the car ahead with several seconds to spare .. then try to find a video from a couple of the slower cars - the ones that check their mirror 6 times between T5 and T6 and don't see anyone there .. then get DIVE BOMBED by someone that "just can't wait". Was *THAT* lap,, THAT important to you?

    If you are going to run with MUCH MUCH slower cars (you have little choice here .. as do we), you simply have to get used to losing a lap now and again. Us Vee types lose 3/4 of the laps we try to turn in EVERY session because of NO CONTROL over the car behind.

    WATCH some video.. and also .. consider the fact that this was a "Rational".. That means that the car in front of you might have WAY WAY less experience than you. Might even be on a Novice Log Book - it COULD be their FIRST RACE .. EVER!

    The overtaking car has the last decision to make - the overtaken car absolutely CANNOT control what the overtaking car does. You may have also noticed that the overtaking car absolutely CANNOT control what the overtaken car does.

    There is a previous thread on ApexSpeed - "Running with faster cars" - maybe should be retitled "Running with SLOWER cars". You might want to go read through it if you haven't already seen it.

    Steve, FV80

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    Well said!

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    There are several Atlanta region officials that deserve a big thanks but I didn’t want it to get lost in the race recap. These guys were instrumental in making this past weekend a reality. They genuinely cared about us and the series and, in my opinion, made the weekend more enjoyable than most. These guys “get it”.

    Competition Director and SOM Nick Voight was key in making this weekend happen and did everything in his power to shape the event to accommodate the wishes of the US Formula 1000 Championship, from including F1000 in the first place, to modifying the schedule as best as possible (thank him for getting home early on Sunday), to granting the grouped paddock area. The shoes he inherited from Butch Kummer are big ones to fill but he is obviously up to the task.

    Chief Steward Bob Hudson granted the split start and helped things move smoothly. (Thanks to JR Osborne for making sure F1000 was the lead group of the split start!)

    Race Chairman AJ Schramm helped facilitate the grouped paddock parking.

    Fletcher Williams was the guy that actually managed the grouped paddock parking and made sure everyone was accommodated (I think). He’s also the guy that served the moonshine at the US Formula 1000 party so he deserves two thank-yous!

    There are plenty of other unsung heroes that made rounds 5 and 6 a success but these guys stand out. If you see them around the track or have a free minute to drop them a line, please extend a personal thank-you on behalf of the US Formula 1000 Championship.
    Mike Beauchamp
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    Let me get this straight. There is a waving passing flag and a V manages to drive right into the sidepod of the passing car, obviously not checking their mirrors. A FV! Really? Your defending this driver? If this driver hit his sidepod he was already clear ahead of the V, and this person still drives into him.

    I could write pages on this one, but I'm too tired. Look what happened to JR2 at Sebring. He could have gotten seriously injured, or worse. Earlier this month, Tom Beatty lost a race spinning off in the kink at Daytona avoiding a V that didn't check his mirrors. He missed him by inches. At a closing speed of 50+mph, it's lucky someone didn't get seriously screwed up.

    If I was driving a V, this is what I'd do. I would check my mirrors before I enter every turn like everyone else(it's not like you're going so fast you don't have the time), and drive a predictable line.

    You've made this argument before. Everyone needs to be diligent out there especially with these kind of closing speeds before someone gets killed.

    Now go ahead and flame away- I don't care.

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    If I was driving a V, this is what I'd do. I would check my mirrors before I enter every turn like everyone else(it's not like you're going so fast you don't have the time), and drive a predictable line.
    At your quoted closing rate (50mph), that is almost a football field every 4 seconds, or near 150 ft in 2 seconds. The Vee's are being driven just as hard at their speed as any other group and drive the same lines every other car takes. Your statement "it's not like you're going so fast..." defines the problem. You appear to think the faster car is better and entitled to the line. At that closing rate, one can look in their mirror and there is nothing, two seconds later there is a car. The mixed groups are always going to be a problem when you have such a large difference in speeds. The overtaking car has the responsibility to avoid a collision with a car that may not know they are there. The consequence of assuming the slower car knows you are there can lead to disaster. It's easy enough to make mistakes when racing against cars running the same speed. Mixing slower and faster cars together amplifies the problem 10x.

    I don't know who was at fault in this incident. But there is a way to avoid it.

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    Sorry for hijacking this thread, but you are correct. It is the responsibilty of the passing car to do it safely.

    My point is checking your mirrors. Just a quick glimpse as you turn in is all.

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    The problem is that FV should not be on the track with cars such as FB. Pure and simple.
    The poor FV drivers are ducks in a shooting gallery.

    How many examples have there already been in 2013 at Major events?

    Keep plowing the same row until somebody gets seriously hurt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Frog View Post
    The problem is that FV should not be on the track with cars such as FB. Pure and simple.
    The poor FV drivers are ducks in a shooting gallery.

    How many examples have there already been in 2013 at Major events?

    Keep plowing the same row until somebody gets seriously hurt.


    THIS. A 1000 times this. FVs should never be on track wth FB/FA/FC during a race weekend. The closing rate is too great. Heck, the closing rate with the top 500s is almost too much. This type of grouping has to stop, up to and including refusing to race when grouped this way. I don't care how many closed wheel groups you have to make room for, you can't combine FV with the faster classes.

    And having been on track multiple times as a F500 with FAs, no matter HOW diligent you are at looking at your mirrors, sooner or later you miss the guy coming to pass you since the closing rate is so high. Hopefully you can react in time when it happens. I can't imagine what it is like to deal with it as a V.

    I'm not going to speculate on this incident without seeing video, but FBs and FVs should never be racing together, and don't always assume it is the slower drivers fault.

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