Nelson Ledges shout-out

[lucky13]

I had a great time last weekend at Nelson Ledges and should publicly say thanks to the drivers who helped me begin to figure-out what I want/need with my rear suspension, how to get through particular corners better, and just generally for the encouragement and camaraderie. Big thanks to everyone:

Mark Farnham
Dennis Potocki
Al Spadin
Randy Shinn
Gary Grubb
Pete Neilsen

Matt Rehm
Vindicator FV #16

[Amon]

It was good seeing you and Max again! Hopefully we'll see
you at the Quad in several weeks!

Mark

[lucky13]

I'm hoping to be there, Mark. I still think visually that I have some toe-out in the rear that I'd like to check in the garage and if it is excessive, bring it in a bit.

It sounds like drivers have very little if any toe-out at the rear....0-1/8". I'm all for anything that helps the car turn-in but not if the cost is scrubbing speed and having the rear dart around on every bump when I'm heading down the straights.

I was using the higher tire temps that you suggested and I liked that in combination with the softer rear suspension.

One thing I would like to throw out there for your comment or others. I began to notice Sunday that when I go over the two distinct bumps heading into turn 12 where cars cross-over the track, that on one of them (the second, I think), the back of the car wants to hop out to the left. Do you get that same feeling in the car? Is there something I can do to help the car be a bit more stable there? I was thinking that maybe if I try to get over to the right sooner I might hit them more perpendicular but was looking for some input.

Thanks!

[fezzic181]

That's the trick with that second hump. You have to resist the urge to start turning for 12 while the car is still light. Of course you also have to make sure you don't have the car rotating to the left trying to get over to the right side of the track to set up for 12 as well. You have to find the line where you get where you want to be for 12 turn in while making sure you are going straight when the rear gets light.

Spun our golf in spectacular fashion because I didn't have it straight when the rear went of the hump.

[G.B.]

It was good seeing you and Max again! Hopefully we'll see
you at the Quad in several weeks!

Mark

Mark,

I don't see your entry in yet, are you going?

Guy.

[Amon]

Guy,

I plan to run on Saturday and my son Brian is running on Sunday if he doesn't
have soccer practice!

Thanks for asking!

Mark

[G.B.]

Mark,

Good, hopefully I will see you there if I can get a Lynx B ready in time.

Guy.

[Amon]

What happened to your Runoff's Vee?


Mark

[budawe]

You might want to check rebound if your car gets loose on bumps. Since we experience immediate camber change with any travel, the tire patch is always changing. Try a bit more rebound.

[lucky13]

You might want to check rebound if your car gets loose on bumps. Since we experience immediate camber change with any travel, the tire patch is always changing. Try a bit more rebound.

I'm going to have to buy a rebound adjustable shock for that.....I'm a newbie low-buck run-what-you-got guy until I'm no longer the biggest variable in the car!

I'm going to check rear toe tomorrow and how much camber I have at full-droop. Maybe that will add some information.

Two other questions if I may:

-Just out of curiosity, what rear shocks are available for FV aside from $1000 Penskes? We think I have a Carrera shock in the rear and I'm guessing they're more affordable. Who sells them and what do they generally cost?

-I am also thinking of running a slightly softer spring. Where can I get springs?

Thanks in advance,
Matt

[G.B.]

What happened to your Runoff's Vee?


Mark

It’s tired out!

No, I wanted to give this one a try.

Guy.

[budawe]

If you have a Carrera on your car it is adjustable. There should be 3 clicks that give you 60/40, 50/50/ and 40/60 bias on compression vs rebound. You will have to take the spring off and collapse the shaft into the body to engage the adjuster. Look for a dot or line on the shaft eye and line it up with numbers on the body. ALways turn the shaft clockwise and if you want to go from 3 to 1, go all the way around.

I have no recommendations for shocks but there are alternatives. Watch the classifieds for other classes, sometimes you can find takeoffs at reasonable prices. Make sure the shaft and travel will apply to your setup. You can buy another shaft but they're not cheap. Once you 've got a shock it will have to be valved for a vee and there are several sources for that.

[problemchild]

-Just out of curiosity, what rear shocks are available for FV aside from $1000 Penskes?
Thanks in advance,
Matt

The only one that will tell you a cheap shock is remotely close to a Penske on a FV rear is someone trying to sell you a cheap shock. Miss a few races if you have to and find a Penske or Fox for it and make sure it is valved by someone who knows what they are doing. Especially if Nelson is a place you will race. Also, for Nelson, and other bumpy tracks, soft is better than stiff for rear spring.

Cheap aftermarket VW replacement shocks are the 2nd-best front shock alternative to Penskes or Foxes. They are quite adequate, but will tend to fade on very tight or bumpy tracks, Nelson being one of them.

[nhJohn]

It was good seeing you and Max again! Hopefully we'll see
you at the Quad in several weeks!

Mark

And the "Quad" is a race where and when?

[lucky13]

And the "Quad" is a race where and when?

Nelson Ledges, the weekend of October 20th. Here is the Motorsportreg link: http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.c...A4002F41E737A1

Kidney belts optional. Nut and bolt after every session mandatory. Fun guaranteed!!!

[Chris Elwell]

Nelson Ledges, the weekend of October 20th. Here is the Motorsportreg link: http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.c...A4002F41E737A1

Kidney belts optional. Nut and bolt after every session mandatory. Fun guaranteed!!!

Online registration closes next week, everyone better hurry and sign up. We need more cars so we don't run the risk of getting stuffed in with the sports racers again.

Chris

[Amon]

Chris,

I just mailed in my entry for my son and myself ....


Mark

[lucky13]

I'll get registered tomorrow.

Matt

[Amon]

Matt & Guy:

Are you both showing up for the regional? Only two more days to
sign up online etc....hope to see both of you there!


Mark

[problemchild]

Are there any open wheel cars doing the test day on Friday.

I was told 20 mins/hr for open wheel. Have others done the Fun Days that can confirm the track time allocation, regardless of numbers.

[Amon]

Greg:

I think that's correct, but it's been many years since I tested there!

Mark

[G.B.]

Matt & Guy:

Are you both showing up for the regional? Only two more days to
sign up online etc....hope to see both of you there!


Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the enquiry. I am still undecided.
I ran the car breifly yesterday and many issues came to light and I am not sure if I can solve them satisfactorly before the weekend.

Guy.

[lucky13]

Are there any open wheel cars doing the test day on Friday.

I was told 20 mins/hr for open wheel. Have others done the Fun Days that can confirm the track time allocation, regardless of numbers.

I plan on going. The last two times there were three groups and sessions were 20 minutes each. For most of the day I was the only formula car.....they've also thrown me in with a couple of SRF cars which was no problem.

Matt

[lucky13]

Matt & Guy:

Are you both showing up for the regional? Only two more days to
sign up online etc....hope to see both of you there!


Mark

I'm registered. See you and Brian Friday!

Matt

[problemchild]

Thanks guys. I'll confirm with Kerrie again before commiting.

[Amon]

Eight Vee's entered!!! Hey Ray, what are you bringing to Nelson since you
only listed it as a Volkswagon?

Mark

[rcarmody]

Mark I am bringing the Mysterian see you friday.

[Amon]

I'll be there Saturday AM since we're the last group...


Mark

[Chris Elwell]

Up to 9 now, I believe that's more than last year. Should be a fun weekend.


Chris

[Amon]

Wouldn't be surprised if we see more than 10!


Mark

[problemchild]

How many OW cars are planning on the test day on Friday?
Kerrie won't commit to keeping the full open wheel session schedule until they see how many cars are there. I'd really like to know before making commitments to travel, etc. Sorry to hi-jack but this is most logical place to ask. Thanks!

Anyone who is available to go on Friday, but undecided, please contact me at greg13rice-at-hotmail.com. Thanks!

[G.B.]

Wouldn't be surprised if we see more than 10!


Mark

12 Vees on Sunday!

[Amon]

Ten on Saturday which is the day I'm racing! My son is racing on Sunday
and he's looking forward to having more than two other vee's at the track,
which has been the case in the past!

Looking forward to it!

Mark

[problemchild]

So what happened? Who won?

[Chris Elwell]

Race 1: Damp
1) Ray Carmody
2) Mark Farnham
3) Rich Styczynsk
4) John Maloney
5) Greg Davis
6) Pete Neilson
7) Lynn Reid
8) Matt Rehm
9) Steve Kammeyer
10) Chris Elwell
11) Jack Maloney

Race 2: Damp
1) Ray Carmody
2) Mark Farnham
3) Chris Elwell
4) Jack Maloney
5) Greg Davis
6) Rich Styczynsk
7) John Maloney
8) Pete Neilson
9) Lynn Reid
10) Steve Kammeyer
11) Matt Rehm

Race 3: Dry
1) Chris Elwell
2) Guy Bellingham
3) Rich Styczynsk
4) Pete Neilson
5) Jack Maloney
6) Greg Davis
7) John Maloney
8) Lynn Reid
9) Brian Farnham
10) Matt Rehm
DNF) Ray Carmody
DNF) Steve Kammeyer
DNF) Brian Goodchild

Race 4: Dry
1) Ray Carmody
2) Guy Bellingham
3) Brian Farnham
4) Rich Styczynsk
5) Greg Davis
6) Jack Maloney
7) Pete Nielson
8) Chris Elwell
9) John Maloney
10) Lynn Reid
11) Matt Rehm
DNS) Steve Kammeyer
DNS) Brian Goodchild

Thanks everyone for coming out. This was a great turnout for FV and produced great racing throughout the field. Let's get 25 and our own group next year!

Chris