New Intrution Panels on Outside of Cockpit
Did anyone see the latest Fastrack that came out yesterday. It looks like they are requiring panels on the outside of the roll cage structure to prevent intrusion into the cockpit for all formula cars. My Stohr right now doesn't comply as far as I can tell so I'll be needing to do some mods.
Any comments?
James
Anti-intrusion panels are already required in FB - see 9.1.1.H.2.C.
What the new rule does is to permit a third option for intrusion panel construction. This also applies to FF, FC, FM, FV and FST.
Dave
When did 9.1.1.H.2.C go into affect?
When did 9.1.1.H.2.C go into affect? I raced my car in 2009 and did not have them. Was it after that? Thanks much.
James
Sure you don't have kevlar in the body side panels?
Long before the FB rules. I would guess that you have Kevlar in your body side panels.Originally Posted by James Michael
Anti-Intrusion Panels
My bodywork is fiberglass - almost 100% positive BUT I'll check with Stohr on that! Thanks for the info.
James
This rule existed when your car was built. Respectfully, I bet you have kevlar in there.
9.1.1.H.2.C
The area between the upper and lower mainframe tubes from the
front roll hoop bulkhead to the rear roll hoop bulkhead shall incorporate
one of the following:
1. Panel(s), minimum of either .060 inch heat-treated aluminum
(6061-T6 or equivalent) or eighteen (18) gauge steel, attached
outside of the chassis tubes.
2. Reinforced body - at a minimum, consisting of a double layer,
five (5) oz., bi-directional, laminated Kevlar material incorporated
into the body which shall be securely fastened to the
frame.
For either method, fastener centers shall not be closer than 150mm
(no stress-bearing panels). The material used for the chassis braces
in this area shall be at least equivalent to the roll hoop brace material.
Anti-Intrusion Panels
I may be mistaken then. I'll check with Stohr on the Kevlar. Thanks for the info.
James
How does this new ruling or clarification or whatever effect the Radon?
Ken
As I read 9.1.1.D.7.b (FF and FC), it basically came into effect on January 1, 2010 and "All new Formula Ford cars are to be built to these specifications covered in D.6 and D.7". The new wording essentially adds section b.3.
For FFs who were homolugated prior to January 2010, the intrusion panel requirement does not apply. I could not find any back dating language.
Dave - Is this a correct reading of the GCR?
Thanx
Craig Farr
2006 Stohr WF1 P2
FARROUT Racing
The intrusion panel requirements have been in place for FF and FC since 1986. The same requirements have been in place for FV "forever" and in FB since its inception. The only thing that is changing now is that there is another method to satisfy the requirement.
Dave
Meanwhile
the panels that contain Kevlar are attached to the chassis w/ 3mm screws; yeah that oughta 'bout do it!
I wouldn't worry too much. The screws just keep it located. The strength is in the tubes backing it up. The panels are there for intrusion resistance and that is all about something pressing against the panels, which shouldn't really load the fasteners, except some in shear maybe.
When was the last time you saw a car have the body sides torn off?
True
dat.
What is funny is this:
[i]Modify 9.3.36 as follows:
“NON-METALLIC WHEEL/CHASSIS CONSTRUCTION
Non-metallic wheel construction is prohibited. Non-metallic chassis construction is prohibited, except in ASR, CSR, DSR, S2, FS and FA. New chassis of non-metallic composite construction shall be proven to meet FIA specifications for non-metallic composite chassis prior to being submitted to the SCCA for homologation. Contact the SCCA national office for a list of the relevant FIA specifications/SCCA requirements.”
Sounds innocuous enough, until you read this:
Technical Glossary
Metallic – A material having iridescent or specular (mirror-like) reflective
qualities (e.g. aluminum foil)
Looks like you guys are gonna have to spend a LOT of time polishing your wheels and tube frames!
Even if we throw aside the fact that it defines an adjective (metallic) in terms of a noun (material), that is perhaps the worst definition I have seen. Almost as bad as:
Circular - A shape having the qualities of a circle (e.g. round)
Reinforced body - at a minimum, consisting of a double layer,
five (5) oz., bi-directional, laminated Kevlar material incorporated
into the body which shall be securely fastened to the
frame.
works for me ...
[FONT=Calibri]How about a sphincter?[/FONT]
Last edited by Reddog; 11.22.11 at 9:23 PM. Reason: stupid font size
No, thanks. Just had one. Appreciate the offer, though.
[FONT=Times New Roman]Just one? ... and there was no offer.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Or are two sphincters an option in the latest Mister Potato Head [150 mm O.C.] ?? [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]JK don't mean to butt spuds ...[/FONT]
Last edited by Reddog; 11.22.11 at 10:22 PM. Reason: changing history
One is my limit. I'm driving.
Your 'circular' definition reminds me of my search to find out exactly what the heck a "neoconservative" was supposed to be - all I could ever find was "One who practices Neo-conservatism".I never could find a definition for neoconservatism - other than that it is what is practiced by neoconservatives.
Ya just gotta love trying to interpret and follow the GCR!
Isn't that what is practiced by sphincts?
Which escapes you more? Defining "neoconservative" or solving the age-old Riddle of the Sphincter?
[FONT=Times New Roman]plural?? isn’t that sphinctii ? [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]
Really? You live in Indiana and you don't know the definition of neoconservative?Your 'circular' definition reminds me of my search to find out exactly what the heck a "neoconservative" was supposed to be - all I could ever find was "One who practices Neo-conservatism".
Me, I prefer neofuturists
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'Stay Hungry'
JK 1964-1996 #25
Someone claimed that they were an endangered species.....
Actually, I always thought that neoconservatives were exsphinct.
[FONT=Times New Roman]I’m a paleo … an am glad “neo’s” saw the light …... [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Josh you make me laugh ... [/FONT]
Rimshot
[FONT=Times New Roman]I’m a paleo … an am glad “neo’s” saw the light …
[FONT=Times New Roman]Josh you make me laugh ... [/FONT]
Santa Cruz? ... ex Boulder Creek dude here ... [long divorce story no extra charge]
neofuturists ... please the mid west just won't understand ...
Next time I want to see a sphinct, I'll take a plane to Egypt.
The neofuturists are a midwest thing. A theater troupe in Chicago based on the Italian turn of the last century Futurist movement with defining principles of speed and chance. Their long running play is 30 plays in 60 minutes called Too Much Light Makes the Baby Go Blind. Up to 18 plays are rewritten each week, the number decided by three rolls of a 6 sided die. The cost of admission is dependent your role of a six sided die. Theater space is above a funeral parlor in Andersonville. Apparently the rent is cheap. This American Life did a homage show to them a few years back.
Boy, did this get way off topic.
Santa Cruz all good. So is the leather appointed wi-fi enabled motor coach my employer is driving me home with right now!
Tim
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'Stay Hungry'
JK 1964-1996 #25
[FONT=Times New Roman]Next time I want to see a sphinct, I'll take a plane to Egypt.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Hope you wear a burka … or as we used to call them BMO’s [Black Moving Objects] [/FONT]
Last edited by Reddog; 11.22.11 at 10:40 PM. Reason: cuz
I stand corrected ... I do love the mid-west but SC is my real home...
Sounds like a perfect application for the specialized six sided die I developed. One side has a zero on it, and the other 5 sides each have a fist on them.
If you ever have any misgivings about the usage of tazers and tear gas, look no further than neofuturists.
[FONT=Times New Roman]So candle lighting thespians should be tazered and tear gassed [banned by the Geneva Convention] … you cannot be serious … ?[/FONT]
Last edited by Reddog; 11.22.11 at 11:37 PM. Reason: moved the ?
Try though I might, no, I cannot be serious.
Whew ... glad I heard that ... although some of those OWS types.... Well ??? I dunno know ...lets just say they will grow up ...
Last edited by Reddog; 11.22.11 at 11:16 PM. Reason: SP
So … another ApexSpeed thread closes for the night … went from “ see 9.1.1.H.2.C” . too “candle lighting thespians” … all is right with the world ...
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