FB National Car Count?

**Northwind** · 01.12.09, 7:58 PM

How many FB entries have we had at the National events for the 09 season?

Maybe those who know could fill in this thread after each event.

***RussMcB*** · 01.12.09, 9:11 PM

If I'm reading MyLaps correctly, there were 7 FB race finishers in the three recent FL national races.

on edit: Should have said 9 entrants.

**VehDyn** · 01.12.09, 10:00 PM

Is it finishers or starters that count towards your total. I never can seem to remember.

***Jnovak*** · 01.12.09, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by VehDyn

Is it finishers or starters that count towards your total. I never can seem to remember.

Starters.

Thanks ... jay novak

**Dave Gomberg** · 01.12.09, 11:22 PM

It is all entries - as long as a car turns a wheel on track in any session, it is counted for that event.

Dave

***RussMcB*** · 01.12.09, 11:27 PM

Good catch. My bad. I thought it was finishers. I guess that means there were 9 FB entries for those three races.

***Jnovak*** · 01.13.09, 12:07 AM

Thanks for the clarification Dave.

Jay Novak

**JEREMY HILL** · 01.13.09, 9:22 AM

hey guys, i see 9 entries, a great start towards the 2.5 per race goal, regards, jeremy hill photon fb #00

**Mike B** · 01.13.09, 12:44 PM

**jjstecher** · 01.13.09, 5:03 PM

Excellent start I think.

I'll do my part if the car stays together and I stay employed.

Who's coming to the double national at HPT the first weekend in May...seems like the perfect event to draw a nice crowd and get the numbers up given its central location.

**ReynardF1000** · 01.13.09, 5:10 PM

I was planning to race five races in the SFR this year. Just had my largest customer move to St. Louis (engineering) and Tennessee (manufacturing) and that will put paid to the plans for now.

**Northwind** · 02.09.09, 10:03 PM

Does anyone have any recent updates for this thread?

**Mike B** · 02.10.09, 12:43 AM

Dan,
See post #9. I've been trying to keep it up to date. If there is an event I'm missing, please let me know. You can also see the events and who attended at www.formula1000.com. Just click on "Points."
Hope that helps!

**TKemp** · 02.10.09, 12:27 PM

Hi Guys, It is starting to look like F1000 interest is picking up. we have been excited by how many people are expressing interest in building their own cars. Just reading through this forum, it seems someone new is always expressing interest. A little FYI, around here, the F1000 venue is a subject of daily conversation and it is obvious that the boss is sinking resources into it daily. I have been dinging him to not wait for the turn-key cars to be ready before we start offering F1000 parts. I believe this because there are many home builders out there that can benefit from foundation component availability, "one piece at a time cost containment and spouse pacification". After the presentation that Mike B. sent to Corey, he committed to our busting butt to get inventory ready and available for quick delivery. It sounds like this is getting kicked off on the 15th.

As far as our own entry of F1000 cars, we are building them and are planning to show them off at the June Sprints, however we, ourselves, will most likely be competing in CSR with a new Sports Racer to be driven by Rene' Villeneuve. There is a possibility that the F1000 cars shown will race but it depends upon the owners of the cars.

So, can we be directly counted as car count yet? "Yes and No!" for the reasons stated

Are we committed to F1000 and it growth, "Big Yes".

Is our priority the F1000 cars and associated products? "NO" Our first priority is still with the sports racers and our steady track-day clients because that is happening in the "here and now", and has and is feeding us today. Consistent food on the table in this unsure economy will take precedence over diversification in product offering. I was told to be straight forward and up front with the content of this post or risk being "GROUNDED" from posting here again by my boss.

Will we be providing program updates? "Yes, on our website"

Will those updates be accessible to everyone? "Yes except, those that pertain to certain confidential customers projects"

When? noon-ish on the 15th.

Why? it has to make business sense before we can jump in heavy with support of Mike's F1000 Championship Series program.

Why post in this thread? Reason is simple, this post is provided to clarify our investment toward expanding F1000 car count.

Thanks,
Todd

**Northwind** · 02.10.09, 9:28 PM

Mike,

Wow! the website is looking Great. If we can get people to submit their pictures and add some more content, this site would really be the flagpole for the Formula 1000 class.

Also is it possible to add a column in the points sheet that keeps a running average of the FB national car count as the events move forward thru the season. It would make a great reference for what this class is trying to achieve.

**speedydaz** · 05.08.09, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by Northwind

Does anyone have any recent updates for this thread?

2 FB's at TMS May 2-3 Double National each day.

Regards, Darryl
www.darryltidbury.com

**Dave Gomberg** · 05.08.09, 3:32 PM

The official counts through the end of April are available at http://www.scca.com/documents/Club_E...MASTER_APR.pdf

Dave

***rickb99*** · 05.08.09, 4:09 PM

Not in the class but rooting for you guys. Looks like 1.7 cars per race at the moment.

NORPAC has 5 Nationals over the next couple of months at Portland and Pacific. So far, 3 FB's are entered in three of the five races. 1st one is this weekend at Portland International and should have Jaremko, Oberndorf and Palmer. The same 3 are entered for the Seattle double on May 23.

The other 2 (a double at Portland) aren't open for registration yet. But the 3 should make those races plus perhaps the Firman's if they get ready.

P.S.
I fear this may be the end of National racing in the Northwest region

If MotorsportsReg is up to date there are only 36 cars entered in the double national and 22 in the regional races for the weekend at Seattle International

Even if you add in 20 to 30 off line reg's that didn't get added to the list yet, that ain't gonna cut it at a track that rents for about $11,000 a day plus (I don't think SCCA gets a 'break' on the rate).

If the reg numbers are right, they've only collected $26,000 in registration

**Mike B** · 05.08.09, 6:05 PM

See post #9, 1.54 entries per race.

***rickb99*** · 05.08.09, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mike B

See post #9, 1.54 entries per race.

Oh, missed that. I based it on the SCCA official chart which is/was behind by 5 races

***glenn cooper*** · 05.09.09, 9:14 AM

Wow, SIR costs more than Road Atlanta(!). I believe I just read that Rd A is 10k/day.
I guess it's just like housing costs then, Seattle vs. ATL, or maybe SIR have a lock on wet weather testing, and charge a premium!?
GC

Go Reubens!!

***rickb99*** · 05.09.09, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by glenn cooper

Wow, SIR costs more than Road Atlanta(!). I believe I just read that Rd A is 10k/day.
I guess it's just like housing costs then, Seattle vs. ATL, or maybe SIR have a lock on wet weather testing, and charge a premium!? GC Go Reubens!!

Glenn,

Not only does Pacific Raceway (SIR of old) have a lock on wet weather testing but, it's also an IDEAL place to test bump steer, pot hole jumping and cobblestone handling capabilities of your car. With our club size, we can actually race at baby butt smooth repaved Portland International for an entry fee that's $35 less then Pacific ( $245 versus $275).

On the other hand, we have GREAT FAITH in the owners $135,000,000 improvement program which IS indeed moving along. The road course is a terrific layout that won't change much. Of course the road track will be the last of the upgrades so it's at least 3 to 4 years away assuming the asphalt doesn't disintegrate before then. I just hope the SCCA is still around to race on it

http://www.pacificraceways.com/frontpage/prcel.cfm

Haven't heard anything from Portland yet about the national today/tomorrow.

**kmt63** · 05.09.09, 11:18 PM

portland had 4 cars qualify for the may 9th national.3 in the race.one car did not start the race due to a diff problem.

**Mike B** · 05.13.09, 1:48 PM

Question for Stan or Dave G. or Phil C. or somebody:
On a typical double national weekend, there might be a couple official practice sessions on Friday, Q & R on Saturday, Q & R on Sunday. If a driver practices on Friday but doesn't qualify or race on Saturday or Sunday, he is counted as an entry for the first race, but is he counted as an entry for the second race?

**Dave Gomberg** · 05.13.09, 3:22 PM

Mike:

The answer depends on how the practice and qualifying sessions are designated. Usually, qualifying sessions are for one or the other of the races, in which case, that determines which one of the races a car is counted in. For practice sessions, this is less clear because sometimes a session is designated for both. However, I think it is likely that if a car runs in a single practice session and then goes home, it will only be counted as a single entry regardless of how that session was designated.

Dave

***TimW*** · 05.13.09, 5:16 PM

Isn't a car that doesn't qualify not listed as DNS. I thought only qualified cars that don't race are DNS. And the car counts are based on finishers, DNF and with last years update DNS's, no?

**Mike B** · 05.13.09, 5:35 PM

It's my understanding that car counts are based on any car that turns a wheel during the sanctioned event, including practice. Track test days don't count, obviously.
If a car practices but doesn't qualify, it would show "no time" for Q and might not even be listed in race results (DNS or otherwise.)
That's what I'm seeing with Chris McNitt in FB here (group 6):
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=414447

***TimW*** · 05.13.09, 5:46 PM

From GCR-70 specifically taking about participation:

Note 1: For the purposes of this section, “entrants” shall be defined as
drivers classified in the final official race results of National races as
finishers, did-not-finish (DNF), did-not-start (DNS), or disqualified (DQ).

However, the GCR does not specify how a DNS is earned (by qualifying & not starting or by entering, perhaps practicing but not racing or qualifying) Here's the only thing I can find that practice times warrant a DNS:

From GCR-11, 3.2.7.B.3
If a race is postponed, the competitors
have the option of either competing in the postponed race, or
receiving a prorated refund and being classified as DNS for that
race, provided they have participated in a practice session or
are shown on the qualifying results for that race.

***Richard Dziak*** · 05.13.09, 6:10 PM

Mike:

Down here in the SCCA southwest, a practice is just a practice. If you go out and qualify, then you get a position on the grid for the race. If you don't enter the track for qualifing then you start the race at the end of the grid. A Saturday event is counted as Saturday, one day.

A Sunday event is counted as a Sunday event, one day. Same rules apply.

If you have registered and paid the race event entry fee and your car wheels do not hit the track, then the SCCA region will issue a refund to the driver. If it is a dual 2 day event and you race one day and the next day your car wheels do not hit the track the SCCA region will issue a refund for the one day missed.

Hope this helps. May or may not answer your questions.

**Dave Gomberg** · 05.13.09, 6:16 PM

Any car that participates in any P, Q or R session is counted. Timing and Scoring has been instructed that a car that participates in a practice session should appear as a DNS on the final results.

Dave

***Richard Dziak*** · 05.13.09, 6:26 PM

As Dave G has pointed out..........

Same rules apply down here in the SCCA southwest.

Running less than 1/2 of the laps in a race gets a DNF.

**Mike B** · 05.13.09, 7:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Gomberg

Any car that participates in any P, Q or R session is counted. Timing and Scoring has been instructed that a car that participates in a practice session should appear as a DNS on the final results.

Dave

So, in this case, did T & S not follow instructions or is Mylaps not representative of what actually occurred?
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1124621
You'll note that Chris is not listed as DNS in the race results but turned 6 laps in practice 1.

**Dave Gomberg** · 05.13.09, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mike B

So, in this case, did T & S not follow instructions or is Mylaps not representative of what actually occurred?
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1124621
You'll note that Chris is not listed as DNS in the race results but turned 6 laps in practice 1.

I can't answer that without seeing the official results. Mylaps listings are not the official results.

Dave

***Richard Dziak*** · 05.13.09, 8:54 PM

Mike:

My evaluation.....

Chris had a practice on Friday May 1st, and completed 6 laps in Practice #1.

There is no practice info for practice #2 on Friday May 1st, as it appears Chris did not go out on the track.

My opinion......

Since it was a new day (Saturday May 2nd) and Chris did not put his car on the track that day and did not run the qualifing session, he was NOT counted as a DNS for the race.

On Sunday May3rd, it looks like Chris did not run the qualifing session and did not run the race either. Therefore same result as Saturday May 2nd....no DNS listed.

Might be nice to get an explaination from T & S, but I feel that my scenerio may prove to be correct.

MyLaps states the results posted are the Sunburn 2009 Official Results. We could only assume the results posted on Mylaps will be a mirrors image/results of the Texas Region SCCA results which they have not posted on their own website as of yet or the Southwest Division SCCA website.

**stigwhiteCF24** · 06.13.09, 7:19 AM

I was the only FB in last weekend's National at New Jersey Motorsports Park. I'll count in the National car count, but unfortunately I DNF'd with a motor failure one lap shy of halfway. Assuming I get a new engine, I will return mostly in local regionals here in NJ, but I may try to do the National at Watkins Glen. I have the original Photon so I need to fit a proper late model GSXR engine before I could realistically be in the same league as purpose built FB's or conversions from modern chassis. Best, Tom

**Northwind** · 08.07.09, 12:58 PM

What ever happened or is happening with the TKemp F 1000 project (posted earlier on this thread) that was supposed to be at the Junesprints???

**CSHAW** · 08.31.09, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by Northwind

What ever happened or is happening with the TKemp F 1000 project (posted earlier on this thread) that was supposed to be at the Junesprints???

I worked some deals, called in some favors and got him a school deal for he and two others. They will be back to work here after they graduate.

The economy and its affect on a few clients dictated our regrouping of efforts. Like others in business, a lot of what we want is superseded by what we can actually have due to issues and limitations of a given day. I posted a notice in the June Sprints section of the DSR website a month before the Sprints event. As for the SCT FB/FC projects that are in works here, they are continuing but, steady revenue producing main-line work is taking priority over new product development for what is a obviously a flat market.

Work, on the FB/FC projects have been progressing steady, in spite of the ecconomy, mainly due to the comonality in some key crossover tooling from our higher priority CSR projects. I feel it is counterproductive to post too much about new products because in my opinion, until the finished products are ready for racers to actually buy and take delivery of, it is all kind of moot, so why post it?. I do believe that you all deserve to see some stuff (eye candy) from us, if only for the sake of giving confidence to F1K enthusiasts, that other manufacturers are taking this new class seriously and are investing effort. I will see what I can do about getting some stuff up on the web for you soon for the benefit of fueling scuttlebutt. With a soft market, I personally feel better taking our time and producing better products, instead of rushing something along just to make something available right now for a market that is just not buying a lot of race cars right now.

I think you will be impressed by what we are coming out with for both the high end clients and the hobbyists. I will give a press release and set of project reports some priority for you. I will try over the next few days. Feel free to nag me if you don’t see something in the next few days, I have a lot on my plate right now, but regardless I owe this topic some attention.
C Shaw

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**Stan Clayton** · 10.11.09, 11:25 AM

I see that FB had 106 National entries this year, and that so far the class has had 67 Regional entries, with more to come at the ARRC and other late fall Regional races. Add those together for next year and there are more than enough to fully qualify as a National class.

What say you, FB owners?

Edit: To clarify...if all of those Regional entries were National entries instead, the class could qualify.

***glenn cooper*** · 10.11.09, 11:55 AM

Yep 2010 will see Operation Big Push put into play.
It all starts the first weekend in January at Sebring w/ a 2 x Nat and the next weekend at Homestead w/ another 2 x Nat.

Quick math: 10 FB entries x 4 races = 40 entries w/i the first 10 days of the year.

On second thought OBP doesn't have such a positive ring to it...
I'll work on it.

First we gotta get the ARRC run...

GC

**Stan Clayton** · 10.11.09, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by glenn cooper

Yep 2010 will see Operation Big Push put into play.
It all starts the first weekend in January at Sebring w/ a 2 x Nat and the next weekend at Homestead w/ another 2 x Nat.

Quick math: 10 FB entries x 4 races = 40 entries w/i the first 10 days of the year.

On second thought OBP doesn't have such a positive ring to it...
I'll work on it.

First we gotta get the ARRC run...

GC

That's the germ of a great idea, Gian Carlo! We gotta work on incentivizing FBs to switch to Nationals.

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