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This winter R&S had Hoosier go ahead and produce enough tires so that everyone who had placed a reservation would get what they wanted. This meant Ron and Sonya ended up buying some extras from...

Excellent News: Sonya told me they had asked Hoosier to go ahead and make 120 rears. She feels confident R&S will be able to sell them. Don't know when exactly they'll be ready.

Craig,

Autometer will replace your Stack Tach battery and do minor checking for two hundred bucks. Kinda expensive.

Even big red lights were difficult to see during autocross runs. So...

As a reminder, there are about 3 weeks remaining for people to sign up to pre-order the R20 cantilever rear tire.Pre-Orders for the FF CM Rear Tire is open until 2/1/2024.These tires will only be...

Seasons Greetings everyone.

Just realized that today marks 50 days remaining until the deadline to commit to buying your desired quantity of rear tires. Deadline is Feb 1.

If you miss this...

From my one on one conversations with staff it is apparent that as long as there is demand, they will continue to make the tire. So it is important for all of us to make sure that our CMod peers are...

Pru posted this as a continuation on another thread but he & I agree there is value in starting a new thread on this issue.

2024 CM Rear Tire


Pre-Orders for the CM Rear Tire is open until...

Thanks for Dayle's post. I know he wasn't advocating use of vintage tires for CM, but allow me to provide my thoughts on use of such a tire for CM use.

We'd have the same issue as we would if we...

OK, but what about the SEB?

Potentially, the adoption of the R60 is something that I believe would appeal to the SEB. It seems simple. No new wheels needed. No suspension modifications because of the size of street tires or...

And keep in mind that Hoosier management will have an Autumn meeting to discuss continuing the soft cantilever tire.

It isn't being overly optimistic to think that CM can provide enough sales to make the tire worthwhile to Hoosier to produce.

We took a harder hit than most classes because of the pandemic. That...

For the record, we had more than 60 tires ordered but Hoosier stepped back from their initial plan to build as many as we ordered and instead capped it at 60. Many of us were asked to reduce our...

Sorry for starting a new thread but it seemed the best way to go.

I was having an email discussion with Jeff Speer of Hoosier about wear patterns on my tires. When we were done I figured I'd ask...

Sonya told me there's a percentage that is always spoiled. I don't know what the typical rate is though.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Will be competing inthe Finger Lakes Tour on burned out tires. Not that I've been threatening anyone on the PAX recently but now, not so much.

Looking...

As the deadline for canceling registration with full refund nears, a lot of people will drop out and folks on the wait list will get in.

I think it is a big issue and it's too important to leave to guessing. A direct communication with the manufacturers is critical. This isn't an "if you build it they will come" kind of situation.
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I just spoke with Jeff Speer from Hoosier regarding tires for the upcoming Finger Lakes Tour (in about 4 weeks). After sorting things on that front, he told me the R20 cantilever rear continues to...

Jon thanks for that list of tires. Thanks for the research. My own research included the American Racer bias plys but they are also in the range of the Hoosier R60.

Currently you and I continue...

There is not and has not been a spec tire in CMod. The Hoosier is the only competitive tire but it's not a rule-book-requirement.

Regarding Ted's post above, I have no issue with just allowing the rear wheel change. Others were very vociferous in their objection to just the rear change. But I don't see it. However if going...

No worries Jon, you have been very clear all along on your preferences.

I am willing to wait and see how further testing plays out with the street radials. But please provide comparison if...

This sounds OK but how do we deal with legality while competing at Tours and the National Championship?

Haven't heard anything Pru.

Hoosier's FF spec radial isn't a street car radial. Yes it's heavy and stiff compared to the bias ply. And ask Gary Godula if he likes it. But it's not at all like a Toyo.

Also, this is to...

Regarding the first sentence, if the R20 can deal with co-drivers, then the 888R can.

The second sentence ... I and others are clearly NOT chasing "ultimate grip". If I was I wouldn't have left...

It's been pointed out in other posts on ApexSpeed (I think) and over on the Modified page on FaceBook but is worth repeating here.

To use the street radials there will have to be changes made to...

For any of the CModders that favor spec tires, would you consider purchasing a set and testing them? I would donate to the cause.

Nothing has been ruled in or out Jon. This initial proposal of spec tires is just the first and perhaps easiest proposal for us to offer our responses.

I would like to repeat the statement made to me by Adam Batton, Hoosier's Circuit Racing Business Unit Manager. He said:
"I personally think a radial street tire will be too stiff, heavy, and not...

Jon, did Ben's response sway your thinking? Or do you still feel that "no action" is a viable option?

Thanks,

As Ben wrote earlier

I sent an email to Adam Batton, the Circuit Racing Business Unit Manager at Hoosier. Here's his statement, un-edited, on the use of radial street tires for our cars:

Adam Batton: "I personally...

Hopefully Ben will comment on that. But in my conversations with him I recall him saying that is not the case. And an average summer day in my part of the country is highly variable. The R60 won't...

R20 bias ply still better than trying to run with street tires.

Hoosier tech staff and several people above (and elsewhere) have described issues about running street radials. While it would be equal pain, it would be pain. Driving a Formula F is fun and making...

Understood!

But for me, driving a real race car but with greatly reduced grip isn't enticing.

I sent an email to Adam Batton, the Circuit Racing Business Unit Manager at Hoosier. I'll break down what he said into two quotes.

The purpose of my email was to ask about the use of radial...

This is a big relief. Now we can run the 2023 season normally and begin discussing how to proceed for 2024 and beyond. Sonya Ver Mulm is of the opinion that Hoosier will not produce this tire...

At one week to go until the deadline, we are at 54 of 60 needed.

Thank you for your foresight and community spirit. It seems like those are in short supply, like our tires.

Here's what Ron Ver Mulm of R&S wrote:

"We will require payment before the order is placed with Hoosier.
The orders are non-cancelable and nonrefundable."

Yes
EDIT: Actually no. See next post.

Follow-up on the CMod Hoosier buy ...

No money needed until end of month. But please do put in your order with R&S Racing.

The CMod tire buy from Hoosier is stuck at 18 short of the number required by Hoosier to do the build.

If anyone plans to put in an order please do so this week.

If we don't reach 60 tires we...

Hoosier isn't making the R25 compound anymore.

New information from R&S Racing regarding the CMod rear tires. Just came in a minute ago ... R&S spoke with Hoosier and they will take as many tire orders as we can give them. Although we have to...

New information from R&S Racing regarding the CMod rear tires ... R&S spoke with Hoosier and they will take as many tire orders as we can give them. Although we have to order at least 60 tires for...

Please don't wait long to place your order.