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Yes, I realize that is the case but there is a big difference (if you are a competitive person) between being in the same run group and racing a car for class position.....especially when the car in...

That fact that it is done doesn't change the fact that it's intrinsically dangerous to mix those types of cars....

Total BS....the SCCA was in charge and dealt all the cards....we are just dealing...

Yup.....the only problems I've ever had were self inflicted. Most people won't admit that.

Thanks Jerry. Alex is always fast...good on him!

For the F1000 owners who havent been paying attention (me included), can you give a brief rundown of the allowable engine mods for FA?

Great Idea. I would be interested if enough drivers commit.

Unless you live too far away to run a true F1000 with FRP, why would you spend the money to upgrade an engine and still not be competitive with a decently driven true FA in club racing?

We had 12...

Agreed. My point was that all participants should be lobbying for fairness ahead of time since what was was done last time was far from fair. The issue was not addressed until it was too late.

That grouping led to an absolute s**t show last time at Indy....ask me how I know. In each of the first 3 Qualifying sessions, they gridded ALL the F500's ahead of the FF's. By the time the 1st...

The truth has just been spoken!

SCCA Club Racing also drove out S2000. Likely the best thing to happen to S2000. Fairly large fields with happy racers as far as I can tell. Also likely the best thing for F1000 given the...

And that right there is the problem!

The whole system is set up to make bad decisions....I know, write a letter.....been there, done that, not wasting my time anymore.

Please don't interject logic and common sense into this argument....

I'm sure that everyone involved had good intentions. Like I said, I had a problem with the clumsy implementation. My guess is that was due to the internal politics and archaic processes within...

I'm am just fine with my pace ( I've gone faster than Brian ever went in the car) and I don't really care about you not fulfilling your obligations....

The engine restrictor rule was jammed into...

Yes, that whole effort and it’s clumsy, on again/off again attempted implementation is what drove many out of the class and led to the ultimate demise of FB. Jay, you helped kill the horse and now...

Agreed. A spec aftermarket ECU could be had for around $500 that would do the job just fine. Ain't gunna happen...too much negativity in this class now....sad.

I tend to spend few more bucks and buy the product that is designed, assembled and uses at least some US sourced parts. You are supporting your fellow Americans, customer service is better and you...

I'm using low pressure nitrogen bottles and this compressor to get the high pressure needed for the on board tanks:

http://www.shoeboxcompressor.com/freedom10/

works great.

Were these cars run in an FB rules compliant configuration?

What happened to Pete Frost and his Phoenix? I didn't notice if he ran in 2018.

From my experience, the SCCA is only peripherally involved in the FRP events. I think mainly to provide sanctioning for insurance purposes. The SCCA does NOT run the event......thank goodness.

Having run with FRP for the last couple of years, I know first hand what a different experience FRP provides. For the FB/F1000 drivers that come out this year, the biggest difference you will find is...

I do know that Alistair McEwan sold his Phoenix and the car is now running down under.....Mate.

The only logical thing to do if FB is combined is to slow down the 016 and 014.....we all know that's not gonna happen...

Good god....that system is just a step better than hammers, chisels and stone tablets.

The letter I will write will ask why SCCA doesn't spend some of our dues money on a forum type system (like...

All this data is next to useless as it ignores the most significant variable……the driver. Comeback to me with data using the same top level driver in each platform and maybe I could mike some...

Care to enlighten the ill-informed? Who is this mystery person?

Have you driven these things? 1st and second gear accel is so much faster than a conventional open wheel car. Plus it's pretty easy to over rev on down shift and engine go boom. I think it...

Not this guy.

While I don’t agree that manual shifters and restricted engines are the correct medicine for the symptom, I don’t think that was the main issue. IMO, what turned competitors away...

Entirely wrong from my experience. If you are loosing in FB, it's not because your car is lacking technology, it's because your driver is lacking talent. Truth hurts but the propagation of these...

The open ECU will only allow an FB car to go significantly faster if cars are converted to use the newer, more powerful engines that could not be made to work with the stock ECU (BMW, Ducati, Gen5...

Letter written.

Yes, good news. I for one, plan to run the FB this year after an absence from the class for a while. It is such great class, I hope that it can regain some of it's past popularity. You cannot go...

Ludicrous...really? Racing at anywhere near a high level requires planning. Two years in a row, the rules were changed to require the use of restrictors. IIRC, the rule changes were announced in...

Oh please, not this again. Jay, you are no longer in the class....let it rest. The restrictor thing is dead....I hope...since that misguided effort is one of the major reasons for the decline of the...

I have not been paying attention lately. Given the dismal turn-out of late, is the FB class going to be invited to the 2019 Run-Offs at VIR?

Jay,

I really wish you would stop perpetuating all the false information. A competent driver can win with a stock engine in F1000, period. Well cared for, a stock engine will last a LONG time. ...

I think we will need to agree to disagree....

Jay,

I make my living using engineering data to make strategic decisions. The first thing I do is to evaluate the quality of the data prior to making a decision. If the quality of the data does...

As I understand it, the purpose of this rule is to allow SCCA to assess engine performance. I have been hassled multiple times about that silly bracket at majors and the run-offs. I spent time and...

Oh goody.....another open wheel spec series. Just what a already limited market needs, to be carved up into ever smaller pieces until the thing is truly dead....

Nice car though. Why not compete...

The Flatshifter does a coil cut. I had this problem when the Flatshifter control box would get hot. Problem goes away when box cools down. Moved box to a cool location and helped but did not...

I agree but the MoteC stuff is stupid expensive. Pro-EFI ( http://proefi.com/info/ ) would be a much better, lower cost alternative that is US based and US supported. It has all the features...

I applaud your efforts trying to get this series back up and running. You guys have done a great job. The only thing holding me back is the SCCA mixed run groups and it looks like you are...

As a FF and FB owner (both Piper), I agree with everything Mr. Lathrop said. The only exception is cost and to what you compare that. If you are comparing the cost to a club ford or a FV program,...

My understanding was that (at least for steady state cornering), the optimum slip angle for most tires increases with additional tire loading. Perhaps this is a way to get all the tires operating...

I would not look at my times for comparison. Engine issues caused the car to be WAY down on power (over 20 MPH slower top speed than last year). I think the Coop had some major issues as well.

Jerry,

Can you provide us with contact information to reserve tires for Road Atlanta?

Glad you are going to make it and I'm with you on the group timing.....I've got a 10 hour tow. Sunday night / Monday morning is going to be hateful......but worth it!

Bill Falatick runs the Astra but rarely travels out of Florida.....he's a busy guy. I will ping him or Burky can try. Shane Prieto just had back surgery so he is doubtful. Don't know about the...