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While on the subject of that word (cheating): Of the literally hundred or so engines I have rebuilt, I have never seen one of the front pack drivers have one that was illegal. I HAVE seen a...

I guess we misunderstood your intent. :confused:



What did "doing you know what" mean? (if not cheating?)

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For sure. I remember when I first started racing, and I thought everyone was cheating since they were faster on the straight. It took us a few races to figure out the other guys were coming out of...

No stroke change occurs. The crank dictates the stroke, piston speed etc. All that occurs is the piston is lighter and the ring pack closer to the top of the cylinder. CR is not specifically called...

Can't talk about the flywheel, but the piston and jug cut is legal and always done. You are correct it doesn't change the displacement, but it lightens the pistons and moves the ring set up closer...

You are (wrong) :) The top 4 engines at the run-offs are gutted and checked for compliance.



Sorry, IMO opinion you are wrong again. We (son) ran 6 nationals (and one regional in 1998 and...

Mark, Exactly. However there are engines being sold at those prices, and thus the bulk of the racers out there think that you have to have one of them to WIN. Not true of course, but it does put...

The upper beam on the BJ is the same size as the upper on a LP. However the lower beam is slightly bigger. The beam tubes are slightly farther apart vertically on the BJ beam also.

BJ beams are...

I really don't think that is true. Most all of the FST guys are NOT deserters of the FV class, they are new entries. We already play well with FV cars on the track. We have done several events where...

If we had 20 cars in each class, we wouldn't need the SCCA, We could run our own events..:) I have been to events recently where there weren't much more than 40 cars..

Got me :D. Admittedly we haven't had to many mishaps out there so only a few have been bent. Maybe the real culprit for bending wheels is the mounting guys? The less you change tires the less the...

Mike, I have had wheels custom made from 4 different manufactures. They will do most any bolt pattern, offset, etc in steel for $50 in quantity. (Note that shipping is a big piece of prices on...

Please Mike.. KISS. (Keep it simple). A tested, inexpensive package with plenty of availability exists NOW. IMO taking a Frankenstein path is completely wrong.

A little off thread and I probably posted before... but..

I get a kick out of the "regional", "national", $3000 and above $7500 engines... (and their performance)

As you know we have a couple...

There are a couple options (rod type stock, I-beam, H-beam, sand seal kits, elephant foot adjusters. etc.) No longevity or performance advantages since min weights are the same. But under ~$4200 and...

As Bill said, but a similar issue with the Link pins and shims. In a corner you lose lots of camber there (and they need periodic adjusting and replacing.) Ball joints don't have that problem and...

Good. Going down an aftermarket conversion path to rotors with LP beam etc. Would just require more testing and limited vendors, etc.

I would really allow cutting off the shock towers though. ...

You can get the spindles in drum or disc version. In the aftermarket, rotors are available in several patterns and undrilled, so you can drill to anything you want.

Aside from the weight issue (BJ heavier with the shock towers). There is an advantage. They hold camber in a turn. :). Disc brakes work great. but whether they are a performance advantage (on a...

You meant IN-expensive? Or sarcasm ? :)

I doubt there was any rationale. The link pin beams started it and they had been cheap and plentiful for a long time. A Ball joint beam is heavier and the mounting holes of off a bit (vertically)...

Really..



Certainly a piece of it.

I think everyone agrees with that. BUT, if you are talking getting a fresh engine from a builder you ARE talking +$7K.



Well, I wouldn't pay that, but some have. But it's not the real issue...

Case $800, (available new), cranks, $300 to $500, P&C's after prepping $400+, balanced lightened rods with ARP's $400+. Not "DIRT" cheap... :)

Yep, you can often find these parts used (usually...

It is over $7K for sure. If it is under that you are not getting what you asked for OR the builder is losing money....

In the case of the builder who was asking $12K, he had a very successful...

Mark, You are certainly correct and that news is great. But the point was that all new (young) drivers are coming from the family that has played with Vee's for years. More exposure is need to get...

I have been told some have. However this number is surprising to me also. More realistic for a "new" FV engine is $7500. We would not build one for much less than that. Some people have called...

Steve, It is a labor of love. :) You won't get rich with an arrive and drive program.

You need to have at least 2 cars rented out for the weekend to just get over break even. I have had 2...

Yep. Because our top speeds are only 2 or 3 mph faster than a Vee. Our gain is in the low end. Just as we planned it.

Top speed is not the issue. Field numbers are. If there were decent fields, FV and FST together would have their own groups. If we raised speeds to compete with FF, etc. the cars are more unsafe,...

Oxymoron. :)

Ok, we agree. :) With one exception. FST has HELPED open wheel entry level racing. It has not affected FV at all yet. No FV drivers have left FV that hadn't already left years ago. FST has...

You know what? EVERY post here has some merit. Pro FV, Pro FST, and Con either. The issue to save FV/FST is exposure. As I and many others have said several times: Few heavily involved in racing...

No problem on the speeding up of FST. But then you have a Super Vee with sticky tires, etc. It will destroy the whole concept. We have a front beam, no crash box, no good "break-away corners". 130...

"Slight advantage"? :)

Every part is still available NEW for FST. We haven't even touched the junk yards yet. :)

Cases? We knew this 2 years ago. While the mag/si alloy is still available, we...

Stan, I have sold probably 5 to 6 sets to the FV guys in Australia. I guess they use them down there. I have never tried them on a FV engine. But we have used them on many 130 to 160 HP (1900-2200...

Ok, yep, thinking out of the box (rules and budget) you could get more HP out of a Vee.

Easy?



Daryl. They were trying to make the cars (FV/FST) competitive. I can duplicate the PEAK HP, or PEAK torque. You can not make the dyno curves the same on an FV and FST engine. If you...

Not so with FST. But I don't know where the regional stats are found.

BTW, there are more FST's out there than we even know about under construction. We built an EVO this month for a customer ...

Yes, it makes perfect sense. Your numbers are off, but I won't even cover that. When SR put their 5 year plan from SR to SRF in place, there were NO SRF's in existence. But they saw the writing on...

You are seeing it incorrectly :). He did not say FV is dead. The CURRENT FORM of FV is dying. (See Stan's patient vital signs post below) It is not dead. FV is not growing and they have to start...

Re: Speeding up a Vee. Sure you can do that, but only via the induction system, which means you move the peak Torque/HP points up in RPM. With the existing gear box you will be shifting normally at...

1. You will NEVER be able to get FV and FST competitive on all tracks. Weight penalties, restrictors, etc, etc. It CANNOT be done. I will be happy to argue the physics of this offline with anyone who...