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we used gorilla tape around corners and rivet heads for ours but it still had a hole punched into the cell for my car when we ran Charlotte last year. Almost cost me my last regional entry to qualify...

Ran as high as 5th at one point. We ALMOST got the 2nd car of Michai Stephens into the top 10 from the back also. Feels like it's taking forever but we're starting to figure out what these cars want...

we saw 7.7hp for a dry sump and external water pump back then on the stock motor in the previous years car which put us at 115 to the wheels after everything else also on an 05 motor (new in the...

Speaking strictly personally, i dont support the majors series and extra time/cost to run it. Also why I qualified for Daytona via regionals outside of the Challenge series. With that though I did...

Final point since all the 2 stroke guys are sitting back watching this thread. Come to Road Atlanta next weekend. We'll have 15 possibly 16 cars at Road Atlanta right now. 14-15 of which 4 stroke. If...

Yeah this whole thread blew up way bigger then I was expecting. Summarizing my points then you all can have this.

It was noted by myself and Clint that at slow speeds (less than 50) Cals car...

Didnt say he was the only 1 but he's a more prominent voice in the arena that carries a lot more weight then some kid nobody has heard of until September. I get the basics of politics which is...

No sorry Reid if you're throwing out a bunch of BS and its widely known that it is BS and rules are about to be made based off of said BS I am going to call that person out. Especially when the...

Question for all. Is there a difference in "working hard" vs "out spending" somebody? I keep seeing this we worked hard or what if somebody actually tried stuff getting thrown around in this thread....

So sue me for being the 1 person with enough balls to stand up and fight for lower cost of the class before it gets out of hand... Other series have a full blown cost cap for their cars. At least I'm...

Never asked to disclose everything i just wanted the "its all cfd" message to stop when we all knew it wasn't true. It became well known and widespread but still the denials. Rules get jacked up for...

Thank you

Wren, Jay is getting flamed for constantly claiming "it was all CFD" when roughly 30% of their 10mph open air (no draft) advantage was money they poured into the motor. Every other class is working...

Pretty much. That's also why I loped around in the infield grabbing the runoffs track record and fastest infield time in the process. Good spotting on that.

I get all that Reid. Since qualifying on Monday for the runoffs we've been hearing the message "it's all CFD I spent xxx hours doing CFD blah blah blah." I called him out while he was in our paddock...

No the problem is because of 1 person, we all get BoPed behind the 2 stroke cars. Again. Which is especially convenient with him building a new 2 stroke car for next year. Also again.

My issue is...

No I don't believe they cheated. Said that over and over again now. I want those rules changed so it doesn't make it mandatory to run all that extra crap to keep up but i want the rules changed for...

Stick to your story that 90% of the class doesn't believe Jay, including the aerodynamicist I know from Lola. You're starting to waver from the "it's all aero related!" message you've been pushing...

For top speed sure. I've been saying the entire time the aero was the dominant factor there. Ive accepted that. What I'm referring to reflects what the 2 stroke guys had to say about slow corners....

no disrespect Brian but that didn't really answer anything. Chris has, theoretically, the same car as Cal so why cant there be a price if he wanted everything? Blanket included. I'd still like to...

Efforts were made up to and including me going a half second faster through the infield the last 2 laps then I had the entire race to try and get away from him. I sat behind him a few times to try...

Appreciate the kind words. I don't know if I'd call it heroic though I just did what a race car driver is supposed to do. My dad always told me in karts if I didn't push til the end we'd just go home...

By the way, has nobody in this thread noticed I'm in the minority by not calling to ban the system entirely? Majority of the 4 stroke and 2 stroke crowd (with the exception of 2 "special" people...

Must of missed the following sentence then where I said "thats racing" relating to that definition but I digress. Its a proven and know fact its a power advantage. You'll hear anything from 6-12...

I do have the same GCR you do and have the very same first definition of the class you do also

D. FORMULA 500 PREPARATION RULES
1. Definition
A class for single seat, open wheel, rigid...

I didn't ask for me because I know you're to scared to help out somebody who can out drive you're engineering at every other track around the country except 1. I asked for your customers sake who you...

So how much are you going to charge in labor for somebody like Chris Ross, Tedd Simmons, or anybody else with 1 of your cars that needs such a system installed to be conpetitve with the incoming...

Jay 1 more thing. You're claiming the dry sump was 1500. Plus 1650 on the motor itself. So youre motor is worth over $3000 doing very basic math just from what you're claiming. Every company we've...

Jay we must have been watching different videos. Watch the start and watch me react to the flag quicker then Cal. Clint gets an initial jump too. Then when Cal puts his foot down he motors away...

here's the video. 2 things to notice from it.

Note 1: Some of the 2 stroke crowd was crying "we geared for top end and had no acceleration" well if you watch the video at 37 seconds in you'll see...

Tell that to Cal getting sideways multiple times in turn 1 and drag racing me to the kink where we went in side by side. Then he squeezed me too the grass as I went by going into the 2nd horseshoe....

Really? Darn here i thought since you broke on lap 1 or 2 that you were sitting on the wall with a radar gun and stop watch figuring this all out.


Since you are completely missing the point I'll...

Ok Chuck the original post was asking for speeds for Mid Ohio. It has already been responded too by somebody who has run the same engine/chassis combo. Why you decide to bring Daytona numbers in...

I misspoke, the 1 lap where Calvin passed me AT THE START LINE i only did 145.1 according to your numbers

If you havent figured it out my trap speeds varied based on how much tow i could get off Calvin. I was trying to see how far in front i needed to be to win and some were better then others. On my own...

and the 600 (it is a 600 btw) 2 stroke that was right on my ass yet you conveniently ignore that one. Keep slanted comments like that in the "other" forum please.

congrats Cal. long time coming man.

Regarding CFD, aerodynamics are obviously a huge area to work on if even the Vees with much lower speeds then us take it very seriously. I never understood why...

sorry Eric just got back from Daytona and saw this. Fastest I've gone there in the KBS is 132mph

That would be a good assumption. That's for the latest and greatest technology also!

I'm not on the series board so don't take this as the end all be all answer, I just race here haha Clint didn't get the ride because he's the 2014 Champion. He got the seat because he's been the...