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After 20 Plus years of buying and using quite successfully 100LL at the local General Aviation airport, I tried last week and was flat told it was illegal for them to sell it unless it went into an airplane. Even after pleading and showing pictures of the race car no soap.
Is this just a local thing or are others seeing it.
What alternatives would anyone recommend.
Pinto powered CFC/.
I'd just tell them it was going into my home built at my home hanger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
Might be a little late now that you pleaded with them, but being here in redneck country, airboat worked last time I got some.
I'm afraid you need another airport. No amount of argument is likely to set them straight.
Look for an uncontrolled airport (no passenger service, no TSA)
Still illegal, just lower chance of being caught....
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Originally Posted by BeerBudgetRacing
That sux! I’ve had suggested to me finding an automated pump at a small air strip. Might need a wing number. I have not done this but I’m told it worked at the local county airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
I got my Av-gas at a small self-serve pump (had to walk in), but on the way in I wrote down a tail number of one of the planes parked nearby, and never had a problem....
Good luck.
-Jim
Buy miine at Toledo Express all the time. So do my friends. I think the BG airport has an automated pump.
Buy mine at Toledo Express all the time. So do my friends. I think the BG airport has an automated pump.
I talked with the vendor at the airport and they instructed me exactly where to go and how to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus7
It's a self service one.
Try another local airport. Maybe they have a website that describes their automated pump mentioned above.
https://www.vpracing.com.au/products/roo-99Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
http://www.racefuels.com.au/content/...ec%20Sheet.pdf
http://www.overkillgarage.com/octane-supreme.html (Contains T.E.L)
There's a lawyer that represents dozens of small airports and he's been feeding this crap to his clients for years.
Some states (like california) prohibit the use of leaded fuel in any street-legal car. Sometimes folks don't understand the difference. For a While Cal Speedway required us to sign affidavits to buy leaded fuel.
Go to your local airport district board meeting and complain. They usually have counsel there and he'll be compelled to address the issue with facts.
Have a local airport here in northeast Ohio that sells it to me. But, every other airport will not, ie...Kent State University Airport. Not sure how long this will last but I have been buying for over 10 years.
Years ago an FBO manager told me that Avgas on the road is illegal mostly because no road use taxes are paid. Running the fuel in an engine on private property isn't illegal. The problem is that nobody will trust that you are not going to run it on a public road. I'm lucky in that there is a small general aviation airport 10 minutes from the shop that has a 24 hour credit card pump. It's pretty easy to buy fuel when nobody will be around to debate all this.
the real bottom line is no road tax on av gas, in Calif. I think they pay .50 cents per gal.in road tax, the answer just buy a plane :airplane:
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Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
Steve
there is a web site called airnav.com it shows you have a uncontrolled airport near Dayton [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Dayton-Phillipsburg Airport[/SIZE][/FONT] It has self serve. You should be able to go and get avgas. if anyone ask. tell the it is for your ultra lite.
Thanks to all for the replies.
Just wanted other ideas.
The place I had been going has self serve pumps and thought about going there at night when no one was on duty but not sure if the gate would be unlocked or not.
And do not want to get caught on video..,.
If the AvGas is only for the race cars, i.e. private, non-public road use, it would not seem to be in violation of any statute I know of. If there is no violation, there is no reason to worry abuot being video taped! :thumbsup::checkered:
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Originally Posted by Steve Demeter
Wear a Ronnie Regan mask like the bank robbers do.
See if the FBO has a sense of humor.;)
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Originally Posted by sabre1fv
At my self serv airport I use NCC-1701...works fine!
I use NCC-1701 as well - that way if for some reason a tank samples bad, some poor schmuck that never bought anything won't have to drain his tanks.
Most airports are locked down these days, but just carry an inspection mirror and a flashlight. You can read the gate code from the back side of the lock. or, if you have enough reach, take a pic with your phone.
I've always just put in "000000".
I just go to Modern Aircraft (Clay Lacy) at Boeing field and give them my cans they fill them I pay that simple.
Tell them it's for an ultralight. No tail number. They'll sell it to you. If it's self-serve (preferred) I use N1111 for the tail number. Our local airport uses that code for fuel sold to aircraft with no tail number. I imagine most other airports do similarly.
Cheers
Been a pilot for over 30 years and a racer. I've been told this before at my home airport. Has more to do with who is running the FBO. The road tax is the thing. The state goes to the airport and says they can't sell to the public , just pilots. Not true. the FAA could care less. Self serve pumps are at most general aviation airports. If there is no one on duty at the airport 24 hours a day, the gates have to be open. If no one is there just pull up to the self serve pump and if you don't have a good imagination look around you and use the tail number from the closest airplane. Any number works. Pump your fuel and be on your way. If you have a small general aviation airport close to you and what to find out what they think call them and ask if they have self serve gas and can you get fuel during the day for your homebuilt. They give you a hard time just go after they close. It is not illegal. At my airport the lineman will help you pump the gas anytime day or night.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotorCade
It's NOT illegal. There is NO LAW against selling Av Gas to anyone .. nor any RULE or REGULATION. It's just that the FBO jerks get it in their head and you CANNOT convince them otherwise. There *IS* a 'rule' (actually I'm pretty sure it's a REGULATION rather than a LAW) that you CANNOT pump it into a STREET CAR because there are no ROAD TAXES on Av Gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus7
It is perfectly legal to buy it from anyone that will sell it to you and put it into anything you wish EXCEPT FOR A STREET VEHICLE OF ANY SORT. Race cars are just fine.
Not illegal. The state goes to the FBO operator and says you can't sell av gas to anyone but a pilot because you are not charging road tax on the gas. Therefore if you sell gas to anyone but a pilot you will be charged for the road tax and it will come out of your pocket. I have never heard of anyone being charged road tax on any fuel they sold to a car guy or racer. It is a scam. BUT if the FBO doesn't want to do it you can't make them. A possible headache for them they don't need. Believe me with the state of general aviation today EVERY FBO wants to sell gas to anyone that wants it. Don't even ask. Find a airport with self serve gas and go pump it. There are no cameras or people watching anyone pump gas. What it does is gives the FBO's a way to deny they know anything about it. So no harm no foul . Have you ever known a state worker that ever wanted to do more then they had to? They are not out looking for you at the pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Davis